[Call to Order]
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I'M CALLING THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
[ITEM 1: Discuss and take appropriate action regarding February 21, 2023, BSC Minutes. ]
THE FEBRUARY 21ST, 2023 BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION MEETING THE MINUTE OR MINUTES THE MINUTES ARE ATTACHED TO.SURE, WILL YOU GO AHEAD AND CLICK FORWARD, PLEASE? THEY'RE ATTACHED TO YOUR AGENDAS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS CORRECTIONS ON THERE, LET ME KNOW.
IF NOT, I'LL LEAVE IT TO YOU GUYS.
OTHERWISE, THERE'S NO AMENDMENTS.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? WELL, THANK YOU. I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE FEBRUARY 21ST MINUTES.
EVERYONE, MASON MADE THE MOTION AND DANNY SECONDED IT.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE, OF APPROVING THE MEETING MINUTES? [INAUDIBLE] VOTED ON MULTIPLE FROM SEPTEMBER 18TH.
THAT WAS. YEAH, YEAH, AND THEN IF EVERYONE COULD UNMUTE YOUR MICS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING, SAY, AYE IF YOU WANT TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES.
THE MEETING MINUTES ARE APPROVED.
[ITEM 2: Discuss code adoption schedule for 2021 ICC and 2023 NEC.]
AS YOU KNOW, WE WENT THROUGH THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.YOU AGREED ON THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE HAD BROUGHT FORWARD ON THAT.
SO THAT IS PENDING FINAL APPROVAL TO TAKE BEFORE COUNCIL.
2021 IPC, INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, WAS REVIEWED PENDING SOME AMENDMENTS PROPOSED BY COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE AND OUR INSPECTOR, CHUCK SELLERS.
PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WILL GO OVER THOSE INDIVIDUALLY HERE IN JUST A MINUTE.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE ARE GOING TO BE DISCUSSED TODAY.
ON THE AT THE APRIL 15TH BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION WILL BE INCLUDING THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE AMENDMENTS.
BOTH OF THOSE SETS OF AMENDMENTS ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
THOSE ARE THE COG AMENDMENTS AS THEY EXIST TODAY.
THERE ARE SOME CHANGES THAT WE'RE GOING TO PROPOSE FOR THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.
YOU'LL BE SEEING THOSE AT THE NEXT MEETING.
WE ARE STILL PENDING THE REVIEW OF THE BUILDING CODE.
SO, SEEING WHAT WE'VE DONE, WHERE WE'RE AT, WE'RE STILL EXPECTING SOMEWHERE IN AROUND JULY TO BE THROUGH ALL THIS AND HAVE THESE THINGS MOVING FORWARD.
I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE OF WHERE WE'RE AT, AND I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU AN UPDATE EVERY TIME WE DO ONE OF THESE MEETINGS TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S BEEN APPROVED SO FAR, WHERE WE'RE AT ON THE OTHER AMENDMENTS, AND SO IF YOU LOOK.
LIKE I SAID, THOSE ARE IN YOUR PACKET.
I'VE GOT LARGER COPIES OF ALL THESE AMENDMENTS DOWN HERE.
I THINK THERE'S 14 PAGES, AND OF CODE AMENDMENTS FROM THE COG IN THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS ON THEM.
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WELL, SOME OF OUR LOCAL [INAUDIBLE], THINGS LIKE.YES, WE'RE LOOKING AT CHANGING SOME THINGS UP ON THOSE.
OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT THE CARPORTS.
THAT'S AN AMENDMENT THAT WILL HAVE TO BE COMING FORWARD WITH THAT.
THE DETACHED STRUCTURES IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THAT RIGHT NOW.
WE'VE MADE A DECISION THAT WE'D LIKE TO SEE THAT STRICKEN JUST BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING A LOT OF DETACHED ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, THE SMALL ONES THAT ARE PLACED IN SETBACKS, AND RIGHT NOW FOR THE SMALLER ACCESSORY STRUCTURES WE ARE R EQUESTING AN APPLICATION FOR REVIEW ONLY, AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO SEE A SITE PLAN AND THEN ATTACHMENT OF THOSE STRUCTURES TO THE GROUND. SO WE DON'T HAVE THEM BLOWING AROUND WHENEVER THERE'S PROBLEMS. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW.
I DON'T SEE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WE WILL BE BRINGING FORWARD IN THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
THAT'S A VERY USEFUL CODE WHENEVER PEOPLE ARE CHANGING UP OLD BUILDINGS.
OUR ARCHITECTS ARE REALLY HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT AND TO BE ABLE TO USE THAT, AND SO WE ADOPTED THAT AT THE LAST CODE CHANGE CYCLE, AND HOPING TO BRING THAT FORWARD AGAIN SO THAT'S AN OPTION AND IT GIVES PEOPLE OTHER PATHWAYS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH WITH EXISTING BUILDINGS BUT I DON'T SEE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WERE EXPECTING OUT OF THAT.
ALL RIGHT, AND THERE'S, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF OF AMENDMENTS TO THE.
SO IT'S ABOUT HALF AS LONG AS THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.
THE BUILDING CODE HAS QUITE A FEW, AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE KIND OF HOLDING IT TOWARDS THE END.
[ITEM 3: Discuss 2021 International Plumbing Code with Local Amendments adoption review and make a recommendation to City Council regarding adoption. ]
AGENDA ITEM THREE.DISCUSS THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
ADOPTION REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL REGARDING ADOPTION, AND SO I'VE ATTACHED.
THE AMENDMENTS AS YOU'VE SEEN THEM.
SO WITH THAT [INAUDIBLE] THERE IT IS.
OKAY. WE HAD A PROPOSAL FROM COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE REGARDING LAWN IRRIGATION SYSTEMS, AND I'VE GOT PROPOSED LANGUAGE UP THERE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THAT MEETS THE INTENT OF WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING FOR IN THERE.
IT DOES BRING FORWARD ATMOSPHERIC TYPE VACUUM BREAKERS, PRESSURE TYPE VACUUM BREAKERS AND REDUCED PRESSURE PRINCIPLE BACK BACKFLOW PREVENTERS. YOU'D SPECIFICALLY CALLED OUT OUR PIECE FOR DISCUSSION, BUT THIS IS THE CODE LANGUAGE AS IT EXISTS IN THE PLUMBING CODE RIGHT NOW.
THE LOCAL THE COG AMENDMENT REMOVES.
OR ADDS THE DOUBLE CHECK INTO THAT LANGUAGE.
OKAY, SO PRETTY MUCH WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO IS JUST REMOVE THAT BACK OUT, BASICALLY STRIKE THAT AMENDMENT FROM OUR STRIKE OUT THE DOUBLE CHECK ASSEMBLY AND [INAUDIBLE] OKAY, SO WHAT I'D LIKE AGAIN GOING BACK TO NEW SYSTEMS. SURE. YEAH.
THERE'S A LOT OF PLACES, YOU KNOW, WHEN EXACTLY HOW WE ADMINISTER THIS IS BASICALLY AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I'M CARRYING FORWARD THE INTENT OF THE CODE ADOPTION.
OKAY, AND I CAN TELL YOU HOW WE WOULD INTERPRET THAT AND MY OFFICE AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
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I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE SO THAT WHEN WE START IMPLEMENTING THIS AND WE START ENFORCING IT, THAT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY WHAT WAS INTENDED TO GO IN THERE.IF WE CAN SIT DOWN AND TALK ABOUT THAT, I THINK WE CAN COME TO A GOOD IDEA ON HOW TO MAKE THAT WORK.
SO THERE PROBABLY WILL BE MORE DISCUSSION ON EXACTLY HOW THAT'S GOING TO WORK MOVING FORWARD, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY WE CAN DEFINITELY TWEAK THAT LANGUAGE TO GET WHERE WE'RE AT. I THINK THE LANGUAGE THAT'S THERE SERVES THE PURPOSE THAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR IN THE AMENDMENT, BUT DEFINITELY HOW WE IMPLEMENT THAT.
STILL MORE DISCUSSION BETWEEN YOU AND I THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT ON THIS DEAL, AND WE PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO GO RIGHT THERE RIGHT NOW, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, ABOUT THE REPLACEMENT VERSUS AND ALL THAT AND EVERYTHING, AND THEN WE CAN COME UP WITH SOME WORDING TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IN THIS CASE.
YES, SIR, YES, SIR, AND SOME OF THAT MAY BE INTERNAL POLICY, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE WILL WRITE THAT POLICY DOWN SO THAT IT CARRIES THROUGH, AND WE HAVE CONTINUITY OF WHAT THAT POLICY IS.
ALL RIGHT. THE OTHER AMENDMENT THAT WE HAD WAS FROM OUR INSPECTOR, CHUCK SELLERS, AND HE AND I SAT DOWN AND WENT THROUGH THIS LANGUAGE, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'VE STRUCK OUT WORDS THAT WE WANT TAKEN OUT, AND THERE IS LANGUAGE THAT IS PLACED IN THERE IN ITALICS, WHICH IS THE WORDING THAT WE'VE ADDED INTO THERE.
OKAY, AND SO SOLVENCY MEANING JOINT SURFACES SHALL BE CLEANED FREE FROM MOISTURE.
A PURPLE PRIMER THAT CONFORMS WITH ASTM, F656 SHALL BE APPLIED SOLVENT CEMENT, NOT PURPLE IN COLOR AND CONFORMING TO ASTM AND CSA STANDARDS MAY BE APPLIED TO ALL JOINT SURFACES WHEN APPROVED BY THE AHJ.
SO BASICALLY, WE'RE WANTING TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING PRIMER.
ALL YOU GOT TO DO IS GET IN TOUCH WITH OUR OFFICE AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING PRIMER ON THIS FOR WHATEVER THE REASON IS BUT THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT WE SHOW UP AND THERE'S NO INDICATION OF PRIMER ON THAT PIPE, AND THEY SAY, WELL, WE USED A CLEAR PRIMER AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT WE KNOW THAT.
WE ADDED THAT LAST PORTION OF THAT ALSO SO THAT WE'RE KNOWING WE KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT USING PRIMER IN THESE LOCATIONS BECAUSE WE'LL BE LOOKING FOR THAT SPECIFIC ASTM NUMBER, AND THAT IT'S USED FOR DRAIN WASTE AND VENT PIPING. ON FITTINGS AND NON-PRESSURE APPLICATIONS.
SO THE EXCEPTION WILL STILL APPLY.
WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE USING THAT PRIMER.
THERE'S NOT VERY MANY PLUMBERS OUT THERE THAT DON'T USE PRIMER.
SO THAT'S THE AMENDMENT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW WITH THAT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? SO PROBABLY WILL NOT SHELF THIS CODE JUST YET.
UNTIL WE FINISH OUR DISCUSSION ON LAWN SPRINKLER SYSTEMS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A VERY SPECIFIC IDEA OF HOW WE'RE GOING TO APPLY THAT, AND WE'LL BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD.
LET ME ASK ONE SILLY QUESTION.
IS PRIMER GOING TO BE REQUIRED TO BE PURPLE OR IS IT GOING TO BE CAN WE HAVE CLEAR AND PURPLE.
YOU CAN USE CLEAR PRIMER, BUT YOU NEED TO CONTACT US AND LET US KNOW THAT YOU'RE USING CLEAR.
THERE ARE APPLICATIONS WHERE IT'S A USEFUL PRODUCT, BUT THIS WAS A CODE CHANGE THAT CAME ABOUT.
I KNOW IT WAS IN THE 18, BUT I THINK IT WAS IN THE 15 ALSO, WASN'T IT? YEAH, IT STARTED BACK IN 2015.
DISCUSSION IN THE CODE CONCERNING NON-PORTABLE PRIMER.
THAT PRODUCT WAS OUT THERE, BUT THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED BY THE CODE.
THIS IS NEW LANGUAGE THAT CAME IN IN 2015.
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WE DIDN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES TO IT THEN, BUT WE SEE A LOT OF APPLICATIONS WHERE PEOPLE WE WALK IN AND SAY, THERE'S NO PRIMER ON THIS.HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WHERE'S YOUR PRIMER? OH, I DON'T HAVE IT WITH ME ANYMORE, AND SO WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S ANY PRIMER BEING USED IN SOME APPLICATIONS.
HOW LONG HAS CLEAR BEEN AROUND? A LONG TIME. CLEAR WAS WAS THE ORIGINAL? YEAH. ORIGINAL.
I HAVE NEVER USE ANYTHING BUT PURPLE ON MY SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO EVERYBODY THAT IS THE STAPLE.
DEFINITELY DON'T WANT ANY FAILURES OF DRAIN WASTE AND VENT PIPING AND HOUSES OR BUILDINGS.
WELL, ARE WE GOING TO REQUIRE THEM TO DISPLAY OR HAVE THEIR OWN HAND, THEIR CLEAR STUFF? SO IT'S EASY TO SEE OR.
THAT IS GENERALLY WHAT WE ASK FOR IS SHOW US--WE HAVE TO GET APPROVAL WITH THIS AMENDMENT.
THEY WOULD APPROVAL WITH IT, BUT AND THE ONLY TIME THAT.
THERE IS CASES FOR IT, BUT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW LADIES GOT YOU KNOW VERY EXPENSIVE FLOORING OR CABINETRY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND YOU'RE USING IT TO TRIM OUT THE REST OF YOUR JOB OR WHATEVER.
THAT'S ONE ASPECT WHERE YOU'D WANT TO USE CLEAR PRIMER BECAUSE YOU GET THAT PURPLE PRIMER, RIGHT, BUT FOR REASONS OF INSPECTION.
I'M KIND OF LEANING ON THE INSPECTOR'S SIDE ON THAT.
IT'S MAKE IT EASIER ON THEM TO KNOW WHAT'S BEING USED.
YEAH, THEY HAVE APPROVAL, RIGHT? RIGHT, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO.
RATHER THAN SAY I DON'T SEE ANY PRIMER HERE.
OH, DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT I USE CLEAR.
WELL, WE DON'T HAVE THAT, AND THAT'LL GO INTO SOME OF OUR NOTES GOING FORWARD, AND WE'LL BE LETTING CONTRACTORS KNOW THAT THIS IS A REQUIREMENT FOR THE CITY OF DECATUR. WOULDN'T SEE ANY ACTION ON THAT UNTIL WE SORT OUT THE LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION PORTION OF THIS.
SO WE'LL BRING THIS ONE BACK AT THE NEXT MEETING ALSO BUT HOPEFULLY THAT ONE'S A FAIRLY SHORT CONVERSATION BY THAT POINT, AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE, AND IN THIS I'M LOOKING AT THE PAGE THREE BACK THERE 60817.5 WHERE IT'S UNDERLINED HERE.
THIS IS THE NORTH TEXAS COG AMENDMENTS.
YES, SIR, AND THAT WILL THAT'S WHERE THEY ADDED DOUBLE CHECK.
THEY TOOK THE EXACT SAME CODE LANGUAGE THAT'S IN THE CODE AND THEN ADDED DOUBLE CHECK INTO THERE.
THAT'S NOT AN APPROVED BACKFLOW DEVICE AS FAR AS NATIONAL INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE.
STANDARDS. DOUBLE CHECK DOES NOT GO ON LANDSCAPE IRRIGATION.
GOT IT. SO THE SO THE PROPOSAL IS TO TAKE IT BACK TO JUST THE PLUMBING CODE AND NOT ACCEPT THE COG AMENDMENT ON THAT ONE, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO SEE AFTER JOE AND I TALK ON WHAT IMPLICATIONS THIS IS GOING TO HAVE FOR DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
WE MAY HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THERE.
OR IT MAY JUST BE A STANDARD THAT WE PLACE IN EFFECT, A POLICY OUT OF OUR OFFICE, BUT IF WE DO IT AS A POLICY, IT'LL BE IN WRITING.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T WANT TO VOTE ON THIS ONE AND PUT IT TO BED YET, BECAUSE WE'VE STILL GOT QUESTIONS OUT THERE ON THIS PARTICULAR CODE, AND IS BASICALLY THE WORDING OF HOW WE WANT TO IMPLEMENT WHAT WAS.
IS THERE A FEEL ON WHAT THE COST IMPACT IS LIKE IF A HOMEOWNER IS REPAIRING SOME OF THEIR IRRIGATION? AND THEN WE TRYING TO BRING OLD SYSTEMS UP.
WELL LABOR, TURNKEY, IT COULD RANGE I MEAN YOU KNOW IT COULD BE AN ADDITIONAL.
YOU KNOW IT JUST DEPENDS ON HOW THE CONTRACTOR REALLY AGAIN WORDS IS CHANGING AND EVERYTHING, BUT AT THE SAME TIME IT COULD RANGE FROM AS YOU KNOW, $400 TO, YOU KNOW, MUCH MORE DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THE APPARATUS.
ONCE YOU GET INTO LARGER APPARATUSES, THEY'RE VERY EXPENSIVE.
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OKAY. [INAUDIBLE].WHAT I WAS TRYING TO THINK IS LIKE ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE.
DOES THIS ADD 10% TO AN IRRIGATION PROJECT? 20% 30%, IS IT DOUBLE IT? EVERY IRRIGATION SYSTEM IS REQUIRED.
A BACKFLOW ASSEMBLY [INAUDIBLE] THE COST OF [INAUDIBLE], BUT YOU COULD USE A ATMOSPHERIC OR A PRESSURE VACUUM BREAKER, WHICH IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT CHEAPER THAN A DOUBLE CHECK.
OKAY, AND THAT'S AN ACCEPTABLE PRACTICE.
JUST GETS IT UP OUT OF THAT DIRT AND OUT OF THAT.
THAT MESSY WATER DOWN THERE THAT HAS ALL THOSE.
I THINK THE CON, LIKE THE CALLS YOU'RE GOING TO GET OR THE PEOPLE IN YOUR OFFICE, I MEAN IT ULTIMATELY IT IS PROBABLY GOING TO COME DOWN TO, YOU KNOW, WAS IT THAT'S WHY I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL OF THE IMPLICATIONS OF THIS, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT WITH JOE BEFORE WE STARTED THIS IS BECAUSE. THERE'S A LOT OF, THERE'S A LOT OF PROBLEMS THAT THIS COULD CREATE IN OLDER SYSTEMS, AND THAT'S ONCE YOU START BRINGING THOSE UP TO THE CURRENT STANDARDS, AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE THOUGHT OUT, YOU KNOW, WHEN DO WE, WHEN DO WE REQUIRE AN EXISTING SYSTEM TO COME UP TO THE NEW STANDARD.
I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANT YOU GUYS TO THINK THAT WE'RE GOING TO IMPLEMENT IT ONE WAY AND WE'RE MOVING IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION, BECAUSE THE WHOLE PURPOSE IS REALLY TO PROTECT THE SYSTEM.
RIGHT? THAT'S THE WHOLE PURPOSE, AND SO AND SO IT SEEMS LIKE YOU'D WANT.
TO UPGRADE ANYTIME PEOPLE ARE TOUCHING THE SYSTEMS IN DOING RENOVATION.
THEN THE BIG QUESTION IS, OKAY, WHAT'S THE COST? RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I TALKED WITH JOE ABOUT BEFOREHAND WAS, YOU KNOW, A BACKFLOW DEVICE IS REPAIRABLE IN PLACE. THOSE THAT IS ONE OF THE ATTRIBUTES OF A BACKFLOW DEVICE.
HOW LONG DO WE ALLOW THEM TO CONTINUE TO REPAIR THAT IN PLACE BEFORE WE SAY, OKAY, NOW IT NEEDS TO BE UPDATED. I CAN TELL YOU, YOU KNOW, OUR STANCE ON IT, IF IT'S FOR SOMETHING THAT WE IMPLEMENTED TODAY, IT WOULD BE THAT DEVICE WAS LEGAL AT THE TIME OF INSTALLATION.
YOU CAN REPAIR IT AS LONG AS IT CAN BE REPAIRED.
NOW IF IT HAS TO BE REPLACED NOW, YOU HAVE TO UPDATE IT.
NOW THEY CAN BE REPAIRED DOZENS AND DOZENS OF TIMES, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES THAT IT THAT IT COULD BE REPAIRED BEFORE IT WOULD HAVE TO BE REPLACED UNTIL THOSE THOSE SCREWS THAT HOLD IT DOWN COMPLETELY SEIZE IN PLACE AND STRIP OUT WHENEVER YOU'RE TAKING THEM OUT.
SO YOU COULD YOU COULD CONTINUE TO REPAIR IT AS LONG AS IT'S A VIABLE DEVICE.
HOW OFTEN DO WE KNOW WHEN THEY'RE FAILING? [INAUDIBLE] THESE BUSES ARE NEVER TESTED.
OKAY, AND THE RESIDENTIAL IN THIS COMMUNITY, THE RESIDENTIAL ARE NOT TESTED.
A LOT OF THEM. NOW THEY'RE TESTED UPON THE INSTALLATION.
ONCE THEY'RE INSTALLED, THEY'RE TESTED ONE TIME, AND OTHER THAN THAT, THEY'RE NOT TESTED AGAIN, AND THEY'RE LIKE WALNUT CREEK [INAUDIBLE].
THEY MAKE IT TESTED, AND BY THEIR OWNING THE WATER, THEY'RE KEEPING THE WATER SAFE AND THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TCEQ BY DOING THAT, AND THAT'S THE PROBLEM HERE TOO.
YOU'VE GOT THE PLUMBING CODE OVER HERE THAT THEY CAN PUT THEM IN [INAUDIBLE] PUT THEM IN [INAUDIBLE] HE CAN PUT THEM IN ONLY ON SPRINKLER SYSTEMS. THE ONLY PLACE HE CAN PUT THEM.
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AND SO THEY'RE IN COMPLIANCE.THE SITE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE TCEQ BY MAKING THEM TESTED, BUT IT'S NOT IN THE PLUMBING CODE.
WHETHER IT'S A DOUBLE CHECK OR ATMOSPHERIC VACUUM BREAKER, THEY ARE TESTED ANNUALLY.
OKAY, AND JUST AS A REMINDER, AS AN OVERVIEW OF THIS, WE'RE LOOKING AT CODE REQUIREMENTS AS THEY'RE WRITTEN IN THE CODE. THOSE ARE MINIMUM STANDARDS OKAY.
SO WE CAN MEET THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS.
WE CAN EXCEED THOSE MINIMUM STANDARDS BUT WE CAN'T DROP BELOW THEM OKAY.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING THIS BY THIS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY RAISING THAT STANDARD ON THIS THERE ARE THAT'S WHAT WE'VE GOT TO LOOK AT WITH EACH CODE AMENDMENT THAT WE INTRODUCE IS ARE WE LOWERING THAT STANDARD OR ARE WE MAINTAINING THAT STANDARD THAT'S IN THERE? HAD THE PLUMBING CODE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE IN THERE WITH THOSE.
YOU WILL GET A REVISED, REVISED VERSION OF THAT WHENEVER WE COME BEFORE YOU AND WE HAVE THESE BACK IN THERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT PURPLE PRIMER AMENDMENT IN THERE NEXT TIME, AS WELL AS THE LANGUAGE THAT WE COME TO FOR THE BACKFLOW DEVICES.
[ITEM 4: Discuss 2021 International Mechanical Code with Local Amendments adoption review and make a recommendation to City Council regarding adoption. ]
DISCUSS THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE WITH LOCAL AMENDMENTS.YOU'VE SEEN IN YOUR HANDOUT, WE'VE GOT THE COG AMENDMENTS.
THERE'S NOT VERY MANY TO THE MECHANICAL CODE, AND I WILL HAVE EVERYBODY KNOWS SEAN DAVEY WHO WE TALKED ABOUT THE LAST MEETING.
HE DOES HAVE OUR HIS APPLICATION IN.
WE'LL BE GOING TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL AT THE NEXT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, BUT I TOLD HIM WE WERE DISCUSSING THE MECHANICAL CODE TODAY, AND IF YOU WANTED TO BE HERE, HE WAS MORE THAN WELCOME TO BE HERE TO LISTEN TO WHAT WE'VE GOT.
THE WAY THAT WE'RE DOING THIS, IF YOU SEE ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS TO THIS, WE CAN ALWAYS ADD THOSE IN AS WE MOVE ALONG THROUGH THIS, BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, ALL WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING IS ADOPTING THE STANDARD COG AMENDMENTS FOR THE INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE.
SEAN, WE WOULD WELCOME YOU UPON THIS BOARD, I PROMISE YOU THAT.
SO DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MECHANICAL CODE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE GOING IN THERE? LIKE I SAID, THERE'RE VERY FEW.
THEY MAINLY DEAL WITH EQUIPMENT LOCATIONS ON ROOFS ELEVATED PLATFORMS, AND THEN THERE'S SOME ONE AMENDMENT ON EXHAUST DISCHARGE.
JOHN, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO PUT IN? OKAY. IF EVERYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE'LL MOVE THAT ONE TO THE APPROVAL LIST.
ITEM FIVE IS BECAUSE DISCUSS THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE WITH LOCAL AMENDMENTS.
[ITEM 5: Discuss 2021 International Fuel Gas Code with Local Amendments adoption review and make a recommendation to City Council regarding adoption. ]
ADOPTION REVIEW AND MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE CITY COUNCIL.PROPOSED AMENDMENTS FROM THE NORTH CENTRAL TEXAS COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS.
THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I MADE TO THIS ONE WAS AT SECTION 1056.
THAT'S ON HERE, AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE SEE EVERY NOW AND THEN IS WE SEE HOMEOWNERS TRYING TO DO THEIR OWN GAS REPAIRS, AND WE FEEL LIKE THAT GAS SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT'S LEFT TO TRAINED PROFESSIONALS.
MOST HOMEOWNERS DO NOT HAVE THE EQUIPMENT OR THE EXPERIENCE TO TEST THEIR OWN GAS SYSTEMS. SO WE HAVE ADDED A SECTION IN HERE 1056 LICENSING REQUIRED.
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THE REPAIR REPLACEMENT TESTING OF GAS PIPING SHALL BE CONDUCTED BY CONTRACTOR LICENSED BY THE STATE OF TEXAS TO INSTALL, REPAIR, AND TEST GAS SYSTEMS. WE. PHRASED IT LIKE THAT SPECIFICALLY, BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THE STATE OF TEXAS IS GOING TO CHANGE THE AGENCY THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR LICENSING ON THIS, YEAH, THEY KEEP DOING IT, AND SO THEY IF THEY HAVE IF THEY DO CHANGE THAT, IF WE PUT THE PLUMBING BOARD IN THERE AND THEY CHANGE THAT, WE'D HAVE TO CHANGE THE AMENDMENT.SO WE JUST PUT DOWN THE AGENCY THAT'S RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
WHAT DO YOU DO ON LP SYSTEMS WHENEVER YOU HAVE TO TIE THOSE IN ON THE LP SYSTEMS, DO YOU HAVE THAT RAILROAD COMMISSION LICENSE FOR IT OR DO YOU LEAVE THAT TO THE PLUMBER? YOU.
RIGHT, RIGHT, RIGHT, AND THAT WAS KIND OF MY QUESTION IS IF THAT APPLIED TO THIS OVERALL SYSTEM OR APPLIANCES, INSTALLERS LIKE CAN YOU HOOK UP A RANGE OR IS THAT JUST IF YOU'RE MESSING WITH THE SYSTEM.
SO THIS WOULD APPLY TO THE SYSTEM TO THE GAS SYSTEM.
NOW I WILL TELL YOU THAT WE ARE NOT ALLOWED TO PERMIT OR INSPECT LP SYSTEMS. THAT IS TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION AND TEXAS RAILROAD COMMISSION HAS SAID THAT MUNICIPALITIES HAVE NO JURISDICTION.
INSPECTING OR TESTING LP SYSTEMS. SO THE ONLY THING WE DO, WE TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WE KNOW THAT THOSE SYSTEMS ARE GOING IN.
NOW, FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES HAVE SOME PURVIEW OVER THAT.
THEY THEY REGULATE THE PLACEMENT OF TANKS AND WHERE THEY'RE AT IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE STRUCTURE AND THINGS LIKE THAT AS A FIRE PRECAUTION, BUT AS FAR AS INSPECTION OF THAT, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY AUTHORITY TO INSPECT LP SYSTEMS. I DON'T BELIEVE--THERE MAY BE SOME, BUT IN THE CITY THAT WE'RE OVER HERE, THERE'S VERY, VERY FEW LP GAS [INAUDIBLE] IN THE CITY PROPER.
YEAH, THERE ARE A FEW SYSTEMS THAT GO IN HERE.
THERE'S NO GAS, NO NATURAL GAS OVER IN SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH, AND SO ANY, ANY TYPE OF APPLIANCE THAT USES GAS, IF SOMEONE WANTS THAT, SOME PEOPLE WANT A BARBECUE PIT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS LP GAS TIED TO IT.
SO THIS ONLY APPLIES TO LP GAS.
NO, THIS THIS ONLY APPLIES TO NATURAL GAS.
WELL. SO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION.
SO THAT'S THE SYSTEM THAT DOESN'T AFFECT APPLIANCES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
GIVE YOU A LITTLE BETTER ANSWER THAN WHAT, AND LIKE SEAN WAS SAYING, THERE HE GOES FROM THE GAS VALVE, THE ACTUAL CUT OFF VALVE TO THE APPLIANCE FROM THE MAIN SYSTEM TO THE APPLIANCE THERE BEHIND IT YOU HAVE TO HAVE A GAS [INAUDIBLE].
OKAY. THAT IS THE ONLY ADDITION THAT WE'RE ADDING TO THE AMENDMENTS.
THERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT ARE ON THIS WITH ELEVATED STRUCTURES AGAIN.
THEY DID INCREASE THE AMENDMENTS DID CHANGE THAT FROM 12 TO 18IN.
IT'S GOT SOME SPECIFIC SECTIONS ON CSST INSTALLATIONS AND THEN ROOM UNVENTED ROOM HEATERS.
THERE ARE A COUPLE OF AMENDMENTS THROUGH THE COG THAT IMPACT THOSE, BUT THAT'S ABOUT IT.
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ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE THAT ONE TO THE APPROVAL LIST.YOU'LL SEE A FINAL DRAFT OF ALL OF THESE COME TO YOU FOR RECOMMENDATION.
WHENEVER WE DO THAT, BUT I'M JUST TRYING TO HANDLE EACH ONE OF THEM SEPARATELY AS WE GO THROUGH IT.
ABOUT THREE PAGES OF AMENDMENTS THAT ARE IN THAT.
AT THE LAST MEETING HAD SOME SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR CODE ENFORCEMENT CASES THAT WE'VE GOT.
IT'S ALL I'VE GOT FOR CODE ADOPTION TODAY.
SO WE'VE KIND OF WENT THROUGH THOSE PRETTY QUICK.
THE RESIDENTIAL CODE WILL TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME NEXT WEEK, AND THEN OF COURSE, LIKE I SAID, WE'VE GOT INTERNATIONAL BUILDING CODE AND ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE THAT ARE COMING UP.
THOSE ARE TWO BIG ONES THAT WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SOME TIME ON, AND THEN WE WILL GO FROM THERE.
SINCE WE'VE GOT IT ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT FUTURE CODE ADOPT TWO FUTURE ADOPTIONS.
I CAN TALK ABOUT SOME OF THESE, CAN I? YES. OKAY.
THEY HAD A CLASS THAT WAS GOING ON WITH THAT HERE A WHILE BACK.
IS WHAT IS CALLED AN NON-ATTAINMENT ZONE.
OKAY. SO WE FALL IN THAT NON-ATTAINMENT FOR AIR QUALITY STANDARDS.
OKAY, AND STATE OF TEXAS HAS COME OUT AND SAID ANYBODY THAT IS IN A NON-ATTAINMENT AREA HAS TO ADOPT THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE.
AS IT IS WRITTEN, WITH ANY AMENDMENTS TO IT APPROVED BY THE ENERGY SYSTEMS LABORATORY AT TEXAS A&M. SO ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS THAT COG HAS APPROVED, AND BASICALLY WHAT WE CAN ADOPT FOR THAT CODE.
LESS STRINGENT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE INTERNATIONAL ENERGY CONSERVATION CODE.
NEED YOU ALL TO BE PROCESSING THAT IN YOUR HEAD, OKAY, AND 2021, THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN THERE THAT GET A LITTLE BIT STRICTER.
COG HAS PULLED SOME OF THOSE THINGS BACK AS FAR AS INSULATION VALUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
WE'LL GO THROUGH THOSE THINGS AND SOME OF THE BIG CHANGES THAT ARE COMING UP, IT DOES INCREASE THE INSULATION VALUES ALL THE WAY AROUND, BUT WE ARE IN THAT NONATTAINMENT ZONE, AND IF WE DO NOT KEEP UP OUR CODE AS FAR AS THE YOUR MODEL, IT DOES IMPACT OUR ISO RATING WITH INSURANCE.
OKAY, SO IT'S NOT ONE OF THOSE CODES THAT WE CAN ADOPT AN OLDER CODE, AND STILL BE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR ISO RATING.
SO WE'VE GOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MANIPULATE THAT FOR OUR BEST USE.
THE 2024 ENERGY CODE IS A DIFFERENT ANIMAL ALTOGETHER, AND I DON'T, I SEE LOTS OF PROBLEMS COMING DOWN THE LINE WITH THAT ONE.
2021 WAS A LITTLE BIT OF A TASTE OF IT, BUT 2024 GOES WAY OFF THE RAILS, SO WE'LL HAVE TO WE'LL HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT IN THREE YEARS, BUT IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH COG, AND I EXPECT TO SEE SOME BIG CHANGES OUT OF THAT IN COG ALSO, AND THE OTHER OPTION IS TO FILE FOR AN AMENDMENT REQUEST TO TEXAS A&M TEXAS A&M ENERGY SYSTEMS LABORATORIES, AND THEY DO ALLOW YOU TO MAKE CHANGES TO THAT, AS LONG AS YOU CAN PROVE THAT YOU MADE EFFICIENCIES IN OTHER AREAS.
WHAT'S THE CURRENT STANDARD OR FOR WHAT?
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FOR DECATUR.WE TRY TO MAINTAIN THAT CODE CYCLE THAT IS WITHIN THAT FIVE YEAR PERIOD THAT ISO LOOKS AT.
WE JUST HAD AN ISO AUDIT, AND I THINK WE DID FAIRLY WELL ON THAT.
YOU'RE STILL OVER FIVE YEARS OUT OF OUT OF ATTAINMENT WITH THAT CODE.
SO WE MAY TAKE A SMALL HIT ON THAT BUT IT WILL BE VERY SMALL, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT DOING THE 2023 NATIONAL OR YEAH, 23 NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
IS BECAUSE FIRST OF ALL, IT WILL KEEP US.
IN THE GOOD GRACES OF ISO IN FUTURE AUDITS, BUT IT ALSO PUTS US IN LINE WITH THE STATE REQUIREMENT TO ADOPT WHAT THE STATE CODE IS, WHICH IS THE LATEST VERSION.
ALL RIGHT. ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE MOVE INTO CODE ENFORCEMENT? ALL RIGHT. THIS IS WHAT EVERYBODY CAME FOR, RIGHT? ALL RIGHT. SO AGENDA ITEM SIX.
[ITEM 6: Provide update to Commission on Retail Connections Properties. ]
I'M GOING TO TURN THIS OVER TO RICK DENNY.TALK TO YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF CODE ENFORCEMENT THINGS AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE . FIRST THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT IS RETAIL CONNECTION UP ON 287.
THOSE FOUR PLACES THAT WE HAD THAT WE HAD AN AGREEMENT WITH [INAUDIBLE] COOPER WITH RETAIL CONNECTIONS TO GET THOSE DEMOED AND SECURED, AND HE'S MET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT.
HE'S MET HIS DEADLINE ON THE AGREEMENT WE HAD.
HE'S GOT THE OLD CEMENT BUILDING SECURED.
ALL THE OTHER THREE PROPERTIES HAVE BEEN DEMOED.
[INAUDIBLE] VANTAGE BUILDING, THEY GOT FINISHED IT UP THIS WEEKEND.
SO AND IT LOOKS A LOT BETTER OVER THERE.
WHEN YOU GO BY, YOU JUST KIND OF BREEZE BY IT AND YOU THINK YOU DON'T EVEN REALIZE IT WAS THERE.
SO IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THAT DONE AND COMPLETED, AND THAT'S JUST SO MUCH BETTER THAT WHEN YOU GO BY AND SEE THAT AND [INAUDIBLE] COOPER'S WORKED WITH US REALLY WELL ON THAT, AND HIS COURT DATE WILL BE MARCH THE 20TH.
WE HELPED ALL THE CITATIONS TO MAKE SURE HE MET THOSE REQUIREMENTS, AND HE DID.
SO WE'LL RECOMMEND DISMISSING ALL THE CITATIONS ON HIM BECAUSE HE DID WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD.
WE'VE GOT SEVERAL OTHER PROPERTIES.
THAT WERE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW ON OUR LIST, AND I KNOW YOU CAN DRIVE AROUND TOWN AND FIND A BUNCH MORE.
IT'S JUST IT DON'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A LONG LIST OF THEM.
WE'RE TRYING TO WORK THEM A LITTLE AT A TIME.
[ITEM 7: Provide update to the Commission on current Code Enforcement actions. ]
OKAY. YEAH.IT'S OLD HOUSE AT DEAD END ROAD BACK THERE.
IT'S GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS. IT'S JUST ROTTING DOWN AND, AND WE'RE WORKING.
WE HAVE MADE CONTACT WITH THE HOMEOWNER ON THAT ONE.
WE'VE TALKED TO HIM. HE SAID HE'S GOING TO WORK ON DEMO.
SO THAT'S ONE THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE TRYING TO GET DEMOED.
I DON'T THINK THAT ONE CAN BE REPAIRED, BUT IT'S IN BAD SHAPE.
301 WEST HALLSELL, THE HOUSE ON HALLSELL STREET THAT HAD BURNED MANY YEARS AGO.
THEY DID GO OVER AND BOARD THE HOUSE UP.
IT'S IN BAD SHAPE. IT NEEDS TO BE DEMOED.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU COULD REPAIR THAT HOUSE.
THAT'S A TRAILER HOUSE THAT WAS OVER THERE THAT WAS JUST FALLING APART.
THEY'D STARTED TAKING THE METAL OFF AND SELLING THE METAL OFF.
THERE WAS STUFF SCATTERED ALL OVER, OVER THAT.
SO THEY HAVE MADE PROGRESS ON THAT.
I EXPECT THEY'LL BE FINISHED WITHIN THE MONTH OR SO TO GET THAT ONE FINISHED UP.
IT'S A HOUSE JUST DOWN THE ROAD OVER HERE ON MILLER STREET.
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THE COLUMN ON THE FRONT PORCH.IT LOOKED LIKE SOMEBODY MAY HAVE KICKED IT OUT.
IT WAS PROBABLY GETTING OLD ANYWAY.
THEY BROKE THE WINDOWS OUT AROUND THE HOUSE.
WE'VE HAD THEM BOARDED UP BEFORE, BUT THEN SOMEBODY CAME BACK, KNOCKED MORE WINDOWS OUT.
WE'VE REACHED OUT TO THEM AND TALKED TO THEM.
I KNOW THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT SELLING THE PROPERTY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'LL GO THROUGH OR NOT.
AT LEAST GET IT SECURED UNTIL THEY DECIDE WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO ON IT.
NOW THAT'S A HOUSE THAT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE WHEN YOU'RE COMING INTO TOWN OFF BUSINESS 287, IT KIND OF SETS OFF IT'S NOT OFF THE ROAD, BUT IT SITS UP IN WHERE YOU DON'T SEE IT IF YOU JUST GO BY IT, BUT THE HOUSE IS IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
THIS IS THAT PARTICULAR HOUSE.
YOU CAN SEE WHERE THAT SHOWS THE WHOLE HOUSE, WHERE IT'S LEANING IN, IN THE MIDDLE.
IT'S JUST FALLING APART AND IT'S COMING IN.
IT'S RAINED ALL INSIDE THE WINDOWS, THE ROOF AND EVERYWHERE ELSE.
I DID TALK TO THE PROPERTY OWNER.
SOMEONE SAID THE HOUSE COULD BE REPAIRED.
LET YOU ALL DECIDE WHAT WE Y'ALL THINK SHOULD BE DONE ON THIS ONE.
IT'S IN BAD SHAPE ALL THE WAY AROUND THE FRONT AND THE BACK.
YOU CAN SEE THE ROOF UP THERE.
IT'S LEAKING IN DIRECTLY INTO THE HOUSE.
ALL THE WALLS, THE WINDOWS ARE LEAKING BECAUSE THEY'RE BROKE.
YOUR NEXT SLIDE IS THE SAME BUILDING.
EXCUSE ME. THE NEXT SLIDE IS THE INSIDE.
YEAH THIS IS THE BACK OF THE HOUSE HERE, AND YOU CAN SEE WE'RE JUST DETERIORATED ALL DOWN THERE, AND IT'S IN REALLY BAD SHAPE.
THAT LOOKS LIKE IT, DON'T IT? [INAUDIBLE].
SO THAT'LL MAKE IT MORE CHALLENGING TO THERE, BUT IT'S--TELL ME, WAYNE, WILL THIS MEET THE NEW ENERGY CODE? [CHUCKLING] IF THEY TRY TO RENOVATE THIS.
DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? I KNOW IT SEEMED LIKE A LONG PROCESS TO GET THIS DONE, AND IT IS A LOT OF PROPERTIES.
IT IS, AND WHEN WE FINISH ONE, THERE'S SEVERAL MORE THAT WE'RE GOING TO PICK UP AND START GOING ON, BUT IF WE GOT WE'VE GOT SIX NOW THAT WE'VE DEMOED SINCE WE STARTED WORKING ON THAT AND SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROGRESS ANYWAY, AT LEAST WE'RE STARTING TO GET SOME OF THESE BUILDINGS THAT NEED TO BE GONE.
HOW MANY DO YOU SUSPECT ARE IN THE CITY TOTAL? I MEAN, JUST RIGHT NOW THAT WE'LL BE LOOKING AT.
I MEAN, THERE'S BESIDES WHAT WE'VE GOT, THERE'S EASILY TEN MORE THAT WE COULD DO, AND I WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF THERE'S NOT MORE IF WE LOOK HARDER, BUT THAT'S JUST SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, AND IT'S GOOD TO HAVE THE BOARD NOW THAT WHERE WE CAN MAKE THOSE DECISIONS ON WHAT WE DO AND GET THAT TAKEN CARE OF, IT KIND OF GIVES US SOME TEETH TO GET DONE.
SO I APPRECIATE Y'ALL'S HELP ON TRYING TO GET THIS DONE.
I WANT TO GO IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
HOW MANY IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO HAVE BEEN DESTROYED THAT WEREN'T ON OUR LIST? THAT JUST THE OWNERS HAVE TAKEN CARE OF THEM AND GOING IN AND DESTROYING THEM AND THEY'RE REBUILDING.
IS THERE ANY OF THAT GOING ON? THOSE WOULD SHOW UP IN DEMO PERMITS, MAYBE? YES. THERE HAVE BEEN THE ONES WHERE THEY'RE BUILDING THE NEW HOUSING COMPLEX UP HERE THAT TOOK CARE OF IT ON THEIR OWN.
WAS THAT THE NEW TWO STOREY HOUSE ON CHURCH STREET, WAS THERE A HOUSE THERE PREVIOUSLY? I DIDN'T THINK THERE WAS.
OH, YEAH I THINK HE KNOWS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
I THINK IT WAS LAST SUMMER WE DID ALL THAT.
YEAH, BUT IF I CAN SECURE THEM, YOU KNOW, WE LET THEM SECURE THEM UNTIL LIKE, IF THEY'RE WAITING TO SELL THEM, AS LONG AS THEY'RE STILL STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THEY CAN SECURE THAT HOUSE, AND WE LEAVE THEM LIKE THAT FOR A WHILE AND HOPE THAT THEY CAN GET THEM SOLD AND MAYBE REPAIR THEM OR SOMETHING.
THESE ARE THE HOUSES THAT ARE JUST ABSOLUTELY FALLING APART THAT WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH.
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ONCE, ONCE THE ENVELOPE'S BREACHED AND YOU GET WATER IN THERE IN THE STRUCTURE.ESPECIALLY TO THAT EXTENT LIKE THAT.
WHAT'S THE POSSIBILITY ON SOME OF THESE COMMERCIAL STRUCTURES ON 287 THAT HAVE BEEN FOR SALE FOREVER? WELL, I MEAN, AS LONG AS THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THEY'RE SECURED UP AND MOST OF THEM ON 27 ARE NOW, THEN WE CAN'T MAKE THEM, YOU KNOW, DO ANYTHING WITH THAT PROPERTY. AS LONG AS THEY'RE STRUCTURALLY SOUND AND THEY OWN THE PROPERTY, WE CAN'T MAKE THEM DO ANYTHING WITH THOSE BUILDINGS.
THAT'S PRETTY COMMON THAT WE'RE GETTING THAT DONE.
SO. WE'LL BE WORKING ON IT FOR A WHILE, BUT EVERY STEP IS THAT MUCH FURTHER.
SO, IF Y'ALL HAVE GOT ANY MORE QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE YOU ALL.
THANK YOU. WE'LL KEEP MOVING ON THIS.
PATH TOWARDS GETTING THESE HOUSES OUT OF THE WAY.
NOW THIS PARTICULAR ONE ON 287 THAT WE'RE WORKING ON NOW.
WE'VE BEEN IT'S BEEN IN THE PROCESS FOR PROBABLY SIX MONTHS AT LEAST.
THE FIRST TIME WE MADE CONTACT WITH THEM.
WHAT IMPROVEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE ON THIS, WHAT THE PROBLEMS ARE THAT ARE STILL THERE, AND WE'LL GIVE YOU A WHOLE HISTORY OF THAT SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF THAT, BUT I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT UNLESS WE HAVE SOMETHING THAT'S ENDANGERING LIVES WE WON'T BRING ANYTHING TO YOU THAT WE HAVEN'T SPENT AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME ON TRYING TO SECURE COMPLIANCE VOLUNTARILY, BUT WE'LL KEEP MOVING THROUGH THAT AND WE'LL HAVE SOME MORE FOR YOU.
WE'RE ALSO LIMITED BY FUNDING.
OKAY. BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT TO START CONDEMNING A LOT OF PROPERTIES AND JUST HAVE THEM STILL SET OUT THERE AND NOT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING WITH THEM BUT WE WILL KEEP MOVING ON THAT AS WE MOVE THROUGH IT.
SO PROVIDE UPDATES TO THE COMMISSION ON BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION
[ITEM 8: Provide update to the Commission on BSC member recommendations. ]
MEMBER RECOMMENDATIONS.WE HAVE A FEW OPEN ALTERNATE SPOTS, AND SO RYAN THOMPSON AND SEAN DAVEY HAVE BOTH AGREED TO SERVE ON THE BOARD.
I HAVE SEAN APPLICATION, AND RYAN HAS TOLD ME THAT HE WOULD HAVE HIS TO ME BEFORE THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING, SO I'LL HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA AT THE NEXT COUNCIL MEETING.
SO HOPEFULLY WE HAVE TWO MORE MEMBERS THAT WILL BE SHOWING UP FOR THESE MEETINGS AS WE MOVE FORWARD.
ON THAT, AND THEN ITEM NUMBER NINE
[ITEM 9: New and/or future business items. ]
FUTURE BUSINESS.BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION MEETING IS SCHEDULED FOR APRIL 15TH, 2024 AT 3:30 P.M..
I THINK THAT WE'RE THROUGH WITH WEDNESDAY MEETINGS FOR THE REST OF THIS YEAR.
SO THEY SHOULD ALL BE ON MONDAYS FROM HERE ON OUT.
ITEMS TO INCLUDE REVIEW AND RECOMMENDATION OF THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL EXISTING BUILDING CODE FOR REVIEW, DEPENDING ON NOTICES TO PROPERTY OWNERS AND ACTIONS TAKEN.
ADDITIONAL PUBLIC HEARINGS MAY BE SCHEDULED.
BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THAT GETS HERE, WE WILL PROBABLY PLACE IT ON THE AGENDA IF WE SECURE SOME COMPLIANCE BETWEEN EVEN AFTER THE AGENDA IS DONE, WE'LL UPDATE YOU ON THAT AND LET YOU KNOW WHERE WE STAND WITH IT.
WE WILL BE PURSUING IT, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH RETAIL CONNECTIONS.
ANYTHING ELSE ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT WAS ON THE AGENDA.
ALL RIGHT. WE'LL GET STARTED ON THE RESIDENTIAL CODE.
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I WILL HAVE YOU A FULL SET OF ITEMS FOR RECOMMENDATION ON THOSE CODES, AND THEN WE CAN TALK THROUGH THOSE LOCAL AMENDMENTS AS WE GO THROUGH THERE.JOE BROUGHT UP A VERY GOOD POINT BEFORE ALL THIS, ASKING IF WE COULD GET THOSE AGENDAS OUT A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, AND THAT IS MY EARNEST HOPE THAT I CAN DO THAT.
MUCH APPRECIATED. I STARTED WORKING ON THE MINUTES THREE WEEKS AGO RIGHT AFTER THE LAST MEETING THAT WE HAD STARTED WORKING ON THE MINUTES AND PUTTING AN AGENDA TOGETHER, GETTING ALL THAT STUFF PUT IN PLACE SO THAT WE COULD GET ON THAT.
LIFE HAPPENED AND THEN PILED UP WITH OTHER STUFF, AND THEN LAST WEEK, I DECIDED I'D BETTER GET WORKING ON THIS BECAUSE I DON'T HAVE ANY TIME LEFT, AND JUST BRIEFLY, I KNOW YOU SAID IT EARLIER, SO FOR THE NEXT MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE REVIEWED THE RESIDENTIAL CODE AND THE EXISTING BUILDING CODE.
BOTH OF THOSE WERE GOING OVER.
YES, AND THOSE ARE THE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE AT THE FRONT OF YOUR PACKET THAT ARE ON THAT.
NOW, THOSE ARE THE COG AMENDMENTS AS THEY STAND RIGHT NOW, AND THEN I CAN GO THROUGH IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE PARTICULAR AMENDMENTS THAT COG HAS PROPOSED IN THERE PLEASE LET ME KNOW BUT I WILL BE HAPPY TO EXPLAIN THE AMENDMENTS THAT I'VE GOT GOING FORWARD IN THAT TOO.
DO WE HAVE LINKS TO THE FULL CODE CONTEXT.
I'VE GOT A FEW OF THESE BOOKS LAYING AROUND.
AS FAR AS THE 2020 ONES FOR YOU TO LOOK THROUGH, BUT YOU CAN GO TO ICC CODES.
IT'S THE THERE'S A LINK ON THERE THAT HAS THE FULL CODE.
IN THERE FOR FOR WHAT YOU HAVE.
I'LL SEND THAT OUT, BUT YOU CAN REVIEW THOSE CODES ON THERE. IT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO PRINT THEM.
IT DOES NOT ALLOW YOU TO COPY AND PASTE THEM.
[INAUDIBLE] YES, THEY'RE LOCKED UP, BUT IT IS A LINK INTO ANY CODE THAT ICC HAS PRINTED, AND SO I WILL GET YOU ALL THE LINK ON THAT SO THAT IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE CONTEXT OF THESE AMENDMENTS, YOU CAN DEFINITELY DO THAT, AND I PUT MYSELF A NOTE DOWN TO SEND THAT OUT TO YOU GUYS TOMORROW, AND THEN PROCEDURALLY, DO I JUST CALL TO ADJOURN OR DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO ADJOURN? SO WITH THAT, NOTHING ELSE, I MOVE, WE ADJOURN.
IT'S 4:34.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.