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[Call to Order]
SO 3:52 WE'LL CALL THE MEETING TO TO ORDER FOR THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION MEETING.AN AFTERNOON BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.
THE FIRST ITEM WOULD BE DISCUSSION AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING SEPTEMBER 18TH 23.
[ITEM 1: Discuss and take appropriate action regarding September 18, 2023, BSC Minutes.]
BSC MEETING MINUTES.YOU HAD THE BUILDING STANDARD COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES IN YOUR PACKET.
TAKE A LOOK AT THOSE. IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONS CORRECTIONS, LET US KNOW.
SEEING NO DISCUSSION, DO WE WANT TO TAKE A MOTION? I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE SEPTEMBER 18TH MINUTES.
AND FROM THAT MASON PROVIDED THE MOTION AND DANNY PROVIDED THE SECOND.
IN DOING THAT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
THOSE, ANY NAYS? NONE. THAT MOTION PASSES.
[ITEM 2: Discuss and take appropriate action regarding December 18, 2023, BSC Minutes.]
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? SEEING NONE.DO WE HAVE A MOTION? MR. CROSS MADE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SECOND.
BASED ON THAT, ALL IN FAVOR, SAY AYE.
AND NEXT ON THE ITEM IS NUMBER THREE.
[ITEM 3: Discuss and take appropriate action regarding January 17, 2024, Minutes]
DISCUSSION. TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING JANUARY 17TH MEETING MINUTES.DOES ANYONE WANT TO MAKE A MOTION ON THE JANUARY 17TH MEETING MINUTES? A MOTION TO APPROVE JANUARY 17TH MINUTES.
PLEASE, BEFORE YOU WILL AND MASON BEFORE Y'ALL LEAVE OUT OF HERE, I'VE GOT PAPERWORK FOR Y'ALL TO SIGN THAT WILL GET RID OF ALL THAT.
OKAY THE NEXT ITEM, ITEM NUMBER FOUR, IS A DISCUSSION OF THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
[ITEM 4: Discuss 2023 National Electric Code (NEC) with Local Amendments adoption review and make a recommendation to City Council regarding adoption.]
SO WE HAD SOME DISCUSSION AT THE LAST MEETING ON THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.THE AMENDMENTS THAT WERE IN THERE.
JAY FEATHERSTONE AND MYSELF, WE SAT DOWN, WE WENT THROUGH THOSE FOUND THE APPROPRIATE ONES.
THERE WERE SOME THAT REALLY DIDN'T APPLY TO DECATUR.
SO WE PULLED THOSE OUT OF THERE.
DIDN'T REALLY HAVE ANY ADDITIONS ON THIS.
HAVE NOT HAD ANY RESPONSE OUT OF THAT.
AS FAR AS THIS, WE WILL MOVE FORWARD WITH ALL THESE.
IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THESE, WE'RE GOING TO SET THAT ONE ON THE SHELF AND MOVE TO THE SECOND ONE.
AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP MOVING DOWN THESE CODES UNTIL WE GET THEM ALL GOOD TO GO.
AND THEN WE'LL MAKE A RECOMMENDATION AT THE END TO TAKE TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY. I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE ANY PUBLIC INPUT FROM ANYBODY.
WE HAVE NOT HEARD OF HEARD FROM ANYBODY, AND NOBODY'S TALKED TO US ABOUT THAT.
SO BUT THESE MEETINGS ARE ALL OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, AND THEY CAN HAVE THEIR INPUT ON THAT.
SO AT THIS TIME, WE DON'T REALLY NEED TO NEED TO MAKE A DECISION.
WE'RE GOING TO KEEP GOING THROUGH ALL OF THEM.
WE'LL ADD THAT ONE TO THE RECOMMENDATIONS WHENEVER WE TAKE IT TO CITY COUNCIL.
OKAY. NOW, AND WE'RE KIND OF FUMBLING OUR WAY THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WE'VE USED THIS TYPE OF FORM TO MOVE ELECTRIC OR ANY TYPE OF CODE FORWARD.
AND SO WE'RE TRYING TO FIND OUR PACE AND EXACTLY HOW WE WANT TO DO THIS.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANYTHING THAT THEY'D LIKE TO SEE IN PARTICULAR ON THIS, LET ME KNOW.
BUT THIS IS MAINLY FOR US TO REVIEW THESE CODES.
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AND MOVE THEM FORWARD.OKAY. AND WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
ITEM NUMBER FIVE, WE'LL GO INTO THE NEXT ONE SINCE WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION.
[ITEM 5: Discuss 2021 International Plumbing Code with Local Amendments adoption review and make a recommendation to City Council regarding adoption.]
AND THIS IS THE INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE WITH LOCAL AMENDMENTS.AND I THINK WE'VE GOT SOME ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE.
COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE CONTACTED ME ON THIS AND HAD SOME INPUT THAT HE WANTED TO ADD INTO THIS.
WE DID ADD SOME CHANGES TO THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE THAT SPECIFICALLY IMPACTS THE DRINKING FOUNTAIN REQUIREMENTS FOR SMALLER OCCUPANCIES.
AND SO THAT'S OCCUPANCIES OF 49 OR FEWER.
WHERE THOSE WOULD NOT BE REQUIRED FOR THOSE SMALLER OCCUPANCIES.
AND ALLOWING A SUBSTITUTION OF BOTTLE FILLERS OR I'M SORRY.
LET ME SEE IF I CAN. IT'S FOUR TEN FOUR.
SUBSTITUTION. PERMITTING THE SUBSTITUTION OF UP TO 100% OF THE REQUIRED NUMBER OF DRINKING FOUNTAINS AS BOTTLE FILLERS OR DISPENSERS IN LIEU OF DRINKING FOUNTAINS.
BUT THERE IS A AN EXISTING EXCEPTION IN THE CODE TO ALLOW 50% OF ANY DRINKING FOUNTAINS TO BE SUBSTITUTED WITH BOTTLE FILLERS.
WE'D LIKE TO MOVE THAT TO 100.
AND THEN THE LAST ONE THAT WE ADDED TO THIS WAS 608.17.
I HAD ONE QUESTION ON THAT LAST ONE.
ARE THOSE NORMALLY COMBINED UNITS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING? ARE THEY JUST DEDICATED, DEDICATED BOTTLE..
ON THE DRINKING FOUNTAIN, WATER FOUNTAIN DEAL.
SO THEY PUT THEIR BOTTLE UP THERE AND THEY DON'T TOUCH NOTHING, AND IT AUTOMATICALLY FEELS SO.
SO I THINK THAT'S A POSITIVE..
JUST TO ALLOW A FEW MORE OPTIONS FOR THIS TO GO IN THERE AND MORE UTILIZATION OF IT.
YOU SEE A LOT OF PLACES THAT'LL PUT IN DRINKING FOUNTAINS.
AND SO PEOPLE JUST TURN THE WATER OFF AND THAT'S SEVERAL THOUSAND DOLLARS.
YEAH. YOU KNOW, LIKE THE HAND.
THE OTHER RECOMMENDATION WE HAD FOR CHANGES WAS FOR THE CARBONATED BEVERAGE DISPENSERS.
CODE ALLOWS A OR THE THE EXISTING CODE AS IT'S WRITTEN ALLOWS FOR THIS ASSE 1022 TYPE, BACKFLOW PREVENTION DEVICE TO BE PUT IN THERE.
THOSE ARE NOT TESTABLE, AND ARE NOT REGULATED.
THEY ALSO ARE GOING OPPOSITION TO WHAT TCEQ HAS FOR REQUIREMENTS IN THAT.
THERE IS A PLACE FOR THOSE 1022 BACKFLOW PREVENTERS IN CERTAIN TEA MAKERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT THEY WORK FINE IN.
BUT WITH CARBONATED BEVERAGE DISPENSERS, YOU'RE DEALING WITH CO2 GAS, AND YOU DEFINITELY DON'T WANT THAT BACKING UP INTO THOSE LINES AND CAUSING FURTHER PROBLEMS. SO WITH THAT IN MIND, WE'D LIKE TO REMOVE THAT ASSE 1022 DEVICE AND REPLACE IT WITH A REDUCED PRESSURE PRINCIPLE BACKFLOW PREVENTION ASSEMBLY.
OKAY. THAT IS MORE STRINGENT THAN THE CURRENT CODE REQUIREMENT.
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SO WE ARE DEFINITELY ABLE TO DO THAT.OKAY. IS THAT ALL FOR ITEM FIVE, PLUMBING? NO. WELL, THAT'S ALL I HAD DOWN THERE.
I HAVE MY BUILDING INSPECTOR BROUGHT FORWARD A CODE CHANGE THAT HE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT.
AND COMMISSIONER GILLESPIE HAS ONE THAT HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT ALSO.
NEXT ONE DOWN. YEAH, AT 608.17-5, CONNECTIONS TO LAWN IRRIGATION SYSTEMS. OKAY. I MAY GET A LITTLE LONG WINDED HERE, GUYS.
Y'ALL SHUT ME DOWN IF YOU NEED TO, BUT IT'S BEEN, I THINK SEVEN YEARS AGO, THE CITY OF MANSFIELD DID A STUDY ON THE WATER THAT'S INSIDE THESE VALVE BOXES.
SO THEREFORE, YOU HAVE FERTILIZERS ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT GO IN THERE.
YOU HAVE DOG FECES AND BIRDS AND ALL KINDS OF STUFF THAT GO IN THERE.
WELL, THE WATER RUNS IN WHEN IT RAINS OR THEY OVERWATER THEIR, THEIR SYSTEM.
AND WHAT HAPPENS IS THAT WATER IS CONTAMINATED.
THAT'S IN THERE. THE CITY OF MANSFIELD DID 300 BOXES.
THEY DID 300 COMMERCIAL, THEY DID 300 RESIDENTIAL.
AND THEY HAD THE SAME RESULT ON EACH ONE OF THEM.
SO WHEN THESE GUYS, WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING YOUR HANDS IN THERE, IT HAD FECAL MATTER.
IT HAD TOO MANY PATHOGENS TO COUNT.
SO IN THESE VALVES THERE ARE MULTIPLE CONNECTIONS IN THERE.
THERE'S ALSO OF COURSE YOUR CONNECTIONS AT THE END AND EVERYTHING.
THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT CAN HAPPEN WITH THAT.
ON TOP OF THAT, ME AS A PLUMBER, I HAVE TO PUT MY HANDS IN THAT STUFF.
OF COURSE, WE GLOVE UP AND EVERYTHING AND ALL THAT, BUT YEARS BEFORE WE NEVER GLOVED UP.
BUT THE THING IS THIS IS A HAZARD TO THE COMMUNITY AND MOST OF THE WATER SUDS IN OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITY, WALNUT CREEK SOME OF THE OTHER SUDS OUT THERE.
I CAN'T NAME THEM ALL THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD, BUT THEY'RE REQUIRING THAT YOU PUT IN WHAT WE CALL RPZ, WHICH IS A REDUCED PRINCIPAL BACKFLOW PREVENTER. THAT IS THE NUMBER ONE CODE COMPLIANT SAFETY DEVICE INSTALLED IN ANY BACK FLOW SYSTEM AT THIS TIME, OTHER THAN AIR GAP.
EVEN WHEN THEY FAIL, THEY DUMP WATER ON THE GROUND.
THEY DO NOT ALLOW IT AT ANY POINT OR ANY POSSIBLE WAY FOR IT TO BACK FLOW INTO THE SYSTEM.
THE RPZS THEY DO HAVE TO BE TESTED.
YOU HAVE TO TEST THEM ANNUALLY TO BE IN CODE COMPLIANCE WITH THE TCEQ.
BUT FOR THIS COMMUNITY FOR IN THE EVENT THAT ANYTHING EVER HAPPENED, YOU WANT THAT PROTECTION? I PROMISE YOU WE AS FAR AS I KNOW, WAYNE, OR HAVE WE BEEN ON A BULL WATER IN THE LAST TEN YEARS? WE WERE THIS LAST YEAR WE DID LOSE PRESSURE FOR THAT LINE STRIKE.
OKAY, SO WHEN YOU LOSE PRESSURE.
ALL RIGHT. YOU HAVE ALL THESE PORTS AVAILABLE.
ALL IT TAKES IS ONE PORT TO LEAK BY.
AND IT CAN BE A TEST COCK THAT LEAKS BY THAT POISONS THAT WATER.
AND WHENEVER IT DOES, IT GETS THE WHOLE BLOCK OR WHATEVER IT IS COMBINED AND PEOPLE GET SICK AND ANYWAY, SO I, I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE US.
BASICALLY, YOU'RE GOING TO PUT IN A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
YOU CAN PUT IN A PV, WHICH IS A PRESSURE VACUUM BREAKER.
THAT'S ANOTHER OPTION, AND IT IS A TESTABLE DEVICE.
AND THERE ALSO IS AN ATMOSPHERIC BUT AN ATMOSPHERIC.
YOU CANNOT HAVE A VALVE AFTERWARDS.
SO THAT WOULD NOT WORK FOR A SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
SO THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN DO IT IS WITH A PVB.
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CITY. OKAY.THERE ARE A LOT OF IMPLICATIONS TO WHAT JOE IS TALKING ABOUT THERE THAT NEED TO BE THOUGHT THROUGH.
WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN SOME MORE THOUGHT ON THIS.
AND I'D LIKE TO SIT DOWN WITH JOE TO DISCUSS THROUGH THIS THROUGH THOROUGHLY.
THERE'S OF COURSE, WE'VE GOT HUNDREDS OF EXISTING DOUBLE CHECK ASSEMBLIES IN THE GROUND ALL OVER THE CITY, SO WE'D HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE HANDLING THAT, HOW WE'RE MOVING FORWARD FROM HERE, WHAT WE WERE DOING WITH THAT.
THERE IS AN INCREASED COST THAT COMES ALONG WITH THIS.
THERE ARE ONCE YOU BRING THAT UP OUT OF THE GROUND NOW YOU HAVE FREEZING CONCERNS.
THEY'RE ALSO SUBJECT TO THEFT BECAUSE THESE BACKFLOW ASSEMBLIES ARE BRASS.
AND SO PEOPLE WILL WILL STEAL THEM.
SO JUST JUST SO I'M CLEAR, WE PROPOSING THE CODES THAT ARE ALREADY BEING PROPOSED BY THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE, OR ARE THESE ADDITIONAL ON TOP OF THIS CODE? THESE ARE AMENDMENTS TO IT WOULD BE THE 2021 INTERNATIONAL PLUMBING CODE.
SO EACH ONE OF THE CODES THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ADOPTING WOULD BE THOSE CODES.
AND WE'RE BRINGING TO YOU THE AMENDMENTS TO THOSE.
SO ONE QUESTION I HAVE FOR CLARIFICATION IS, JOE, WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WOULD THAT THAT PREVENTER STILL STAY BELOW GRADE IN A BOX? IT CANNOT STAY UP TO THE HIGHEST BECAUSE IT HAS A RELIEF VALVE ON IT THAT HAS TO DUMP.
SO WHENEVER YOU YOU HAS TO HAVE A GROUND CLEARANCE FOR IT TO DO THAT.
WAYNE IS VERY ACCURATE ON HIS STATEMENTS THERE.
AND I'VE PUT SEVERAL OF THEM THROUGHOUT THIS TOWN.
I'VE HAD VERY FEW, I DON'T THINK I'VE HAD ANY OF MINE ACTUALLY FREEZE DURING ALL THE FREEZES.
IT'S COMING UP LIKE A FOOT OR SO ABOVE GROUND WHERE IT YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY ABOUT AND SO HOW WOULD THIS AFFECT EXISTING INFRASTRUCTURE? IF SOMEONE WAS DOING A CHANGE TO THEIR PROPERTY, THEY'D HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE COMPLIANCE.
IT WOULD BE THE WAY THAT I WOULD SEE THIS.
AND A LOT OF THOUGHT STILL NEEDS TO GO INTO THIS.
BUT I WOULD THINK THAT IT WOULD BE A CHANGE TO THAT SPRINKLER SYSTEM.
IF THAT DOUBLE CHECK ASSEMBLY THAT'S ALREADY EXISTING THERE GOES BAD.
THAT'S WHEN IT WOULD HAVE TO BE UPGRADED.
NOW THERE'S OF COURSE, EVERY HOUSE OVER IN SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH HAS THESE OUT THERE BY THE CURB.
AND WHAT WHAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED IN OTHER CITIES.
AND THEY'RE DOING IT IN OTHER CITIES.
DENTON DOES IT. EULESS DOES IT.
I FOUND OUT TODAY AND I CONTACTED MANSFIELD AND I.
BUT WHEN THAT DEVICE FAILS, THE DOUBLE CHECK ITSELF THAT'S IN THE GROUND.
AND WHEN IT FAILS AND IT'S NEEDING REPAIR.
AT THAT TIME, YOU BRING IT UP TO CODE.
IF, IF YOU HAVE A CHECK VALVE THAT FAILS IN THERE, THEY'RE REPAIRABLE IN PLACE.
AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE THAT YOU WERE YOU WERE CHANGING A LOT OF THE EXISTING ONES, AND THERE WOULD BE AN OPTION FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO BRING THAT INSIDE, ESPECIALLY WITH THESE PRESSURE TYPE VACUUM BREAKERS OR.
WELL, THE PRESSURE TYPE WOULD BE A SPILL PROOF VACUUM BREAKER.
I'VE SEEN SOME MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE GONE TO THOSE AND ALLOWED THOSE, AND THEY'RE BRINGING THOSE UP AND ROUGHING THOSE INTO THE SLABS OF THE HOUSE OR THEM TO BE INSIDE THE GARAGE SO THAT WHENEVER NOW YOU HAVE A FREEZE PROTECTION GOING ON WITH THAT.
AND THERE ARE A FEW, NOT MANY.
THIS WOULD NOT BE A REQUIREMENT IF THEY'RE NOT ON CITY WATER.
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THAT. RIGHT.AND THEY WOULD BE THEY'RE TWO SEPARATE, YOU KNOW, THEY'D BE TWO SEPARATE SOURCES.
BUT THE THE ONE THAT'S NOT CITY SOURCE, WOULD IT REQUIRE THIS? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY.
YOU KNOW, WAS SAYING, IF THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED AND I SEE WHERE I SEE WHERE YOUR POINT IS THAT THAT THOSE ARE TWO SEPARATE SYSTEMS. YEAH. THE SITUATION IS.
AND YOU HAVE CITY SERVICES TO YOUR HOUSE.
YOU HAVE TO DO PREMISES ISOLATION, PROVIDE AN RPZ FOR THAT.
RIGHT, BECAUSE THE TWO SYSTEMS I'M THINKING OF IS WHERE THEY'RE NOT CONNECTED.
IT'S THE POTENTIAL FOR THAT TO HAPPEN.
ALL YOU HAVE TO HAVE IS A WASHING MACHINE HOSE, AND YOU CAN BACK FEED THAT THAT SYSTEM ALL DAY LONG.
AND OKAY, ON TOP OF THAT, IF YOU HAVE AN IRRIGATION SYSTEM IN THE STATE OF TEXAS IT'S REQUIRED TO HAVE A BACKFLOW DEVICE ATTACHED TO IT.
GOOD. WHETHER IT'S WELL OR CITY, IT DOESN'T MATTER.
SO I'D LIKE TO WE CAN KIND OF TABLE THIS ONE.
PRIOR TO CRAFTING THE LANGUAGE FOR THIS, I DO NOT HAVE SPECIFIC LANGUAGE CRAFTED FOR THIS.
IT COULD BE AS SIMPLE AS STRIKING DOUBLE CHECK ASSEMBLY OUT OF THAT.
AND SURE, THAT WOULD BE A VERY EASY WAY TO DO IT.
BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE THOUGHT THROUGH THE POSSIBLE CONSEQUENCES, CERTAINLY, OF ADDING THIS IN AND AS A AS A PROCEDURAL, I'M ASSUMING YOU'LL HAVE AN AMENDMENTS DOCUMENT AND IT WOULD SAY, YOU KNOW, THIS NUMBER 80617.5 SHALL BE AMENDED AS FAR.
SCROLL DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT OR UP.
I'M SORRY. SO THIS ONE, THAT 6081711.
SURE. SO THAT ONE WAS STRIKE ADD.
OKAY. IT WOULD LOOK JUST LIKE THAT.
MAKES SENSE. ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION ON ITEM FIVE BEFORE WE MOVE TO ITEM SIX IS AMENDED.
THERE, THEY VARY ON WHAT YOU'RE HAVING TO WORK WITH.
LET'S SAY WE CUT ONE OUT, BRING UP ANOTHER, GET A HEATED ROCK, PUT A BRASS BACK FLIP.
IT COULD GO ANYWHERE BECAUSE THOSE DEVICES ARE NOT CHEAP.
SURE, THEY'RE AND IF YOU'RE DOING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING TO SPEND ANYWHERE, I DON'T KNOW, PROBABLY 400. AND, YOU KNOW, IT COULD GO UP TO $1,200 JUST DEPENDING ON WHAT ALL HAS TO TAKE PLACE, THOSE INVOLVED ANYWAY.
SURE. LET ME DO SOME CHECKING ON THIS STUFF SO WE CAN TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME KIND OF IDEAL, AT LEAST A KIND OF A RANGE IN THERE WHERE WE'D BE AT ON THIS.
AND WHENEVER WE BRING THIS BACK TO TALK ABOUT THIS ONE SPECIFIC ITEM AGAIN, MY BUILDING INSPECTORS GOT ONE HE WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THAT'LL PROBABLY BE ONE THAT WE BRING FORWARD LANGUAGE ON.
ALSO IF Y'ALL IF THE BOARD'S CONDUCIVE TO THAT.
YEAH. OKAY. OKAY, SEEING NO OTHER DISCUSSION, LET'S MOVE ON TO ITEM SIX.
LET HIM TALK. OH. I'M SORRY. HIS I WANT TO GO.
Y'ALL BEAR WITH ME JUST A SECOND.
FOR SOME REASON, MY PHONE JUST MESSED UP.
ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS CHUCK SELLERS.
I'M THE BUILDING INSPECTOR HERE ALONG WITH WAYNE.
THE SECTION I'M TALKING ABOUT IS SECTION 705.
YOU WON'T HAVE IT IN YOUR PACKETS, I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT, BUT IT'S 70511.2.
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IT DOES NOT REQUIRE YOU TO USE A PURPLE PRIMER.WHEN YOU'RE PUTTING ON YOUR SOLVENTS ON THE PIPE.
MYSELF AS AN INSPECTOR WHEN I WALK UP.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ACTUAL PRIMER ON THAT PIPE OR NOT.
AND SO THEY'RE ALLOWED TO USE THE CLEAR PRIMER.
AND AS I TALKED TO JOE ABOUT THIS TODAY, THERE ARE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU WANT TO USE A CLEAR PRIMER IF YOU'RE OVER SOMEWHERE WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO DO STAINED CONCRETE OR YOU'RE WORKING OVER A WOOD FLOOR, YOU CAN USE A CLEAR PRIMER.
WE WOULD WORK WITH THE PLUMBERS ON THAT SITUATION.
BUT WHAT WE'RE WANTING TO CHANGE IT TO IS TO WHERE IT'S REQUIRED TO USE PURPLE PRIMER.
JUST SO WE KNOW WHEN WE WALK UP WE CAN TELL THE PRIMER ON THERE.
THE PRIMER IS PUT ON THE PIPE FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE IS TO CLEAN IT. TWO, IT DOES SOFTEN THE PIPE BEFORE YOU DO ADHERE THE GLUE.
AND THAT WAY WE ALL KNOW THAT IT HAS A GOOD CONNECTION.
AND SO THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CHANGING ON THAT.
CHUCK, WOULD YOU GIVE GUIDANCE IN THE AMENDMENT WHERE YOU CALL OUT LIKE THESE TWO SPECIFIC EXAMPLES.
THE CODE DOES ALLOW US, SINCE IT'S STATED IN THE CODE, TO LET THEM USE A CLEAR PRIMER.
RIGHT. LIKE, YOU'D WORK THROUGH THAT LANGUAGE, YOU KNOW AND ADD IT INTO THE AMENDMENT SO ..
OKAY. YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN TALK TO THE PLUMBER AND USE IT.
SO IT JUST SO WE WANT TO CHANGE IT.
SO AS AN INSPECTOR YOU'RE GOING OUT AND INSPECTING THESE PROPERTIES.
AND IF THEY USE CLEAR PRIMER AND GENTLEMEN THERE'S A THING CALLED CLEAR GLUE.
YOU DON'T KNOW WHETHER THEY USE PRIMER OR NOT.
AND THEY CAN LEAVE, SOME GUYS WILL LEAVE A CAN.
OH, HEY, HERE'S THE EMPTY CAN OF CLEAR PRIMER I USE IT.
WELL I WANT TO TRUST YOU, BUT I TRUST, BUT I VERIFY.
AND SO THERE'S NO WAY TO VERIFY WITHOUT SEEING THE PURPLE PRIMER ON THERE.
IF YOU ARE OVER FLOOR FINISHES, FOR EXAMPLE.
SURE. AND WE DO HAVE MOST CONTRACT AS A CONTRACTOR.
YOU SOMETIMES THE CONTRACTORS WILL CALL AND GO, HEY, HERE'S WHAT I'VE GOT, WHAT CAN I DO? AND WE WILL ALLOW YOU AND WORK WITH EVERYBODY ON HOW TO ACCOMPLISH WHAT YOU NEED TO GET DONE.
THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME. THAT PURPLE STUFF THAT'S ON OVER MY HAND.
I AGREED TO JOIN TODAY SO TRIED TO GET IT OFF, BUT ANYWAY..
YEAH, THERE YOU GO, MESSIER, THE BETTER.
ANYWAY. BUT THAT THAT HELPS HIM IDENTIFY THIS.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS, I'LL.
THE ORIGINAL ORIGINAL GLUE AND PRIMER WAS CLEAR.
THE CLEAR COLOR WAS FOR INSPECTIONS, RIGHT? IF YOU GO TO LOWE'S OR HOME DEPOT, YOU WON'T FIND THE CLEAR.
THE ONLY PLACE THAT SELLS, IT'S A SUPPLY HOUSE.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN PURPLE FOR ME, TOO.
THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S BECAUSE I'M YOUNG.
VERY GOOD. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.
WE'LL DIG INTO THOSE TWO PARTICULAR ITEMS BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING TO TRY TO CLEAR THAT UP.
OKAY. ITEM NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS MECHANICAL CODE.
[ITEM 6: Discuss 2021 International Mechanical Code and 2021 International Fuel Gas Code with Local Amendments and recommendation schedule.]
YES, SIR. 2021 INTERNATIONAL MECHANICAL CODE AND 2021 INTERNATIONAL FUEL GAS CODE.SO WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THOSE AMENDMENTS THAT ARE ON THERE.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF PROPOSALS ON THE FUEL GAS CODE.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THE MECHANICAL CODE AT THIS TIME.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO BRING THOSE TO YOU BEFORE YOU AT THE NEXT ONE WHERE WE'VE GOT SOME MORE OF THEM BEHIND US, AND WE DON'T BITE OFF A BIG CHUNK AND END UP IN HERE FOR TWO HOURS TALKING THROUGH CODES.
I KNOW NOT EVERYBODY LIKES IT AS MUCH AS I DO.
SO, NO, NO FURTHER DISCUSSION ON MECHANICAL RIGHT NOW.
OKAY. YOU'VE GOT THE AMENDMENTS AS PROPOSED BY COG IN YOUR IN YOUR HANDOUTS.
IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS ON THEM BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, PLEASE LET ME KNOW.
I HAVE ONE RELATED, MAYBE RELATED.
WHEN WOULD THE ENERGY CODE FALL IN? IS THAT GOING TO OVERLAP WITH THE MECHANICAL? THAT MIGHT TAKE SOME TIME.
THAT WOULD BE ONE WE WOULD PROBABLY ALL WANT TO READ IN DETAIL.
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ABSOLUTELY. THERE IS A LOT TO THE ENERGY CODE, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND A BLOCK OF TIME, OR I CAN CLOSE MY DOOR AND BEAT MY HEAD AGAINST A WALL TO READ THAT ONE.THAT'S THAT THAT IS THE PLAN TO MOVE FORWARD ON THIS.
ALL OF THIS REFERENCE MATERIAL IS AVAILABLE TO YOU.
OKAY. THAT WAY YOU'LL KNOW AHEAD OF TIME.
A MONTH AHEAD OF TIME WHAT WE'RE HEADED TOWARDS.
SO I GUESS MOVING FORWARD, VOTE ON THEM AS A PACKAGE ALL.
THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION RECOMMENDS THE ADOPTION OF THE 2021.
YES. AND WE'LL TAKE THAT AS A AS A RECOMMENDATION TO CITY COUNCIL.
BUT THAT'S STILL RATHER THAN CLOSE THIS OFF, IF WE HAVE SOMEONE ALONG THE WAY THAT POPS UP AND SAYS, HEY, I GOT A QUESTION ABOUT THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE, WE HAVEN'T CLOSED THAT OUT. WE'RE STILL ABLE TO LOOK AT THAT BETWEEN NOW AND THE ACTUAL RECOMMENDATION.
PUT A PIN IN ELECTRICAL FOR NOW.
YES, SIR. SAME THING WITH PLUMBING.
YEAH, I GOT A MARKER BOARD IN MY OFFICE, AND I'M TRYING TO MOVE THEM OVER AND GET THEM OUT OF OUT OF MY HAIR AND SAY, OKAY, WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE, THESE ARE DONE AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO MESS WITH THAT.
SO THE NEXT MEETING WILL WE WILL TACKLE THE MECHANICAL CODE AND THE FUEL GAS CODE, BUT WE'LL ALSO BRING BACK THE TWO AMENDMENTS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT ON THE PLUMBING CODE AND TRY TO WORK THROUGH THOSE.
SO AS WE GO THROUGH THESE SO SAY THE ELECTRICAL I KEEP BRINGING THAT ONE UP.
FINISHED. SO THIS PRINTOUT REFLECTS THE.
YES, SIR. IT'S NOT A COPY AND PASTE FROM THE OTHER ONE.
THAT IS WHAT WE WOULD POST AS OUR ADOPTED AMENDMENTS.
AND WILL THERE BE LIKE A PUBLIC FORUM TO GO OVER THESE AMENDMENTS? I CAN'T IMAGINE MANY WOULD SHOW UP TO A BUILDING CODE MEETING.
WE CAN DO WE CAN WORK ON TRYING TO DOING SOME MORE ADVERTISING TO GET THAT OUT THERE.
IT WILL ALSO GO TO CITY COUNCIL.
THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
SURE. AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL WILL HAVE THIS WILL BE AN ORDINANCE.
SO IT WILL HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING, READING, AND THEN IT WILL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND VOTE.
OKAY. NOW, MOVING ON FROM NUMBER SIX, WE'VE GOT NUMBER SEVEN.
[ITEM 7: Provide update to Commission on Retail Connections Properties.]
PROVIDE UPDATES TO COMMISSION ON RETAIL CONNECTION PROPERTIES.YES, SIR. SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING IN THERE FOR THAT ONE.
CHERYL. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE BROUGHT THE RETAIL CONNECTIONS PROPERTIES TO YOU HERE A WHILE BACK BEFORE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION, ACTUALLY MADE A RULING ON THAT PROPERTY.
HAPPY TO TELL YOU AT THIS POINT, ALL OF THOSE BUILDINGS ARE COMPLETELY DOWN.
THERE'S STILL A LITTLE BIT OF CLEANUP THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN CARE OF ON THE AG VANTAGE PROPERTY.
THERE'S STILL SOME LOOSE GLASS.
SOME ROCKS AND JUST DIFFERENT THINGS THAT NEED TO BE CLEARED UP ON THAT PROPERTY.
BUT THE BUILDING IS COMPLETELY GONE.
IT HAD JUST BEEN STANDING OPEN FOR A LONG TIME.
IT HAS BEEN SECURED AND IT'S CLOSED OFF.
AND SO IT'S IT'S BEEN ABLE TO REMAIN AT THIS TIME.
WE'RE WORKING ON THEM CLEARING UP THAT LAST BIT OF PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT AT AG VANTAGE.
ONCE WE HAVE THAT, WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THAT OUT.
BUT BECAUSE I DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL HAVE ANY PROBLEM.
HE'S COMING BACK TO MEET WITH US IN MARCH AT A MUNICIPAL COURT HEARING.
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AND IF EVERYTHING IS CLEARED UP AT THAT TIME, THE JUDGE WILL DISMISS THOSE CASES, THE CITATIONS THAT WERE ISSUED ON THAT.AND WE'LL BE ABLE TO CLOSE THAT CASE AT THAT TIME.
AND SO HOPEFULLY THIS IS THE LAST YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT THAT ONE.
OKAY. MOVING ON TO ITEM EIGHT, DISCUSSION OF POTENTIAL NEW BOARD MEMBERS.
[ITEM 8: Discuss potential BSC member recommendations.]
SO WE DO HAVE WE HAVE AN OPEN POSITION, SADLY, ON OUR BOARD FOR A FULL MEMBER OF THE BUILDING STANDARDS COMMISSION.SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT FILLING THAT POSITION THAT'S ON THERE.
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO START FILLING SOME MORE OF THESE ALTERNATE POSITIONS, ESPECIALLY WITH SOME CONTRACTORS ALONG THE WAY, SO THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PULL THAT LOCAL EXPERTISE INTO ESPECIALLY THESE COLD CODE HEARINGS.
AND WHEN WE HAVE DILAPIDATED PROPERTIES OR SUBSTANDARD STRUCTURES, WE'RE ABLE TO PULL FROM OUR LOCAL TALENT POOL TO BE ABLE TO SAY, YES, WE'RE BACKING UP WHAT THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT SAYS, OR IF WE HAVE A A HEARING THAT IS OPPOSING A DECISION THAT WE'VE MADE YOU'RE ABLE TO PULL FROM THOSE TALENT POOLS TO BE ABLE TO HELP WITH THE DECISIONS THAT THE, THE BOARD MAKES OFF OF THAT.
AT THIS TIME I'VE GOT ONE PERSON WHO HAS SOME MECHANICAL BACKGROUND.
SEAN DAVEY WITH DECATUR HEAT & AIR HAS OFFERED TO SET IN THERE AS A MEMBER OR ALTERNATE MEMBER SO THAT HE CAN REPRESENT HEATING AND AIR CONDITIONING.
AND I THINK A LOT OF YOU PROBABLY KNOW RYAN THOMPSON.
I'VE BEEN ON RYAN THOMPSON FOR SEVERAL MONTHS NOW HOPING TO GET HIM ON THIS BOARD.
AND SO IF YOU'RE GOOD WITH THAT AND MR. THOMPSON DECIDES TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW. HOW WOULD WE DO? WOULD WE NEED TO DO A VOTE TO BRING IN ALTERNATE MEMBER TO A FULL MEMBER? HOW DOES THAT WORK? YES, IT WILL FOR THAT TRANSITION.
THAT WOULD BE BEFORE CITY COUNCIL.
THAT GOES BEFORE CITY COUNCIL ALSO.
SO WE'LL NEED TO LOOK AT DOING THAT ALSO.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. FOLLOWING, YOU KNOW, UPDATES ON NUMBER NINE, ITEMS NINE WOULD BE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING,
[ITEM 9: New and/or future business items.]
WHICH WOULD BE MARCH 18TH.AND ANY OTHER ITEMS THAT COME UP IF NOTICES WERE FILED.
YES. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THAT IS A MONDAY.
BUT THE STANDARD MEETING DATE FOR THIS COMMITTEE IS ON MONDAYS.
AND SO THAT BRINGS US BACK TO MONDAYS ON THAT DATE.
PERFECT. IT KIND OF FEELS WEIRD TO ME SITTING HERE. IT'S KIND OF MARTIN SAT RIGHT HERE, AND IT'S A I THINK WE NEED TO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED TO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT MAN WAS A HUGE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
AND, AND IT, THAT MAN WAS A GREAT MAN ANYWAY AND HE WILL BE TRULY MISSED.
ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WE'VE LOST A GREAT ONE.
HE WOULD CALL ME ON MY WAY HOME AT NIGHT AND HE'D TALK ME ALL THE WAY HOME.
AND YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES YOU'D THINK AT THE TIME, MAN, I WISH I COULD GET OFF THIS PHONE CALL.
BUT I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, I'D GIVE ANYTHING FOR ONE OF THOSE PHONE CALLS RIGHT NOW.
BIG SEAT TO FILL. ANY OTHER OTHER ITEMS BEFORE WE ADJOURN? THANK YOU JIM. YES, SIR.
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SO UPDATE ON THE 3 OR 4 HOUSES WE HAD IN DECATUR.OH, WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
WE DON'T HAVE THAT ON THE AGENDA.
I APOLOGIZE, THAT IS MY FAULT FOR DOING THIS.
I CAN TALK WITH YOU ABOUT THAT AFTERWARDS, BUT WE CAN DEFINITELY PUT A CODE ENFORCEMENT UPDATE ON THE FUTURE AGENDAS SO THAT WE CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS WITH THAT.
OKAY. I'LL MAKE SURE THAT THOSE END UP BE KIND OF A STANDING MEETING FEATURE.
YES, SIR. YES, YOU COULD LIMIT IT TO A QUARTERLY UPDATE.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SEEING NONE.
4:33.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.