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I'LL CALL A MEETING TO ORDER AT 3:34 P.M.
[Call to Order]
AND THEN WE'LL BEGIN WITH ITEM ONE, WHICH IS TO DISCUSS AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION ON THE MINUTES FROM MAY 16TH OF 22.[ITEM 1: Discuss and take appropriate action regarding May 16, 2022, Minutes.]
AND YOU'VE GOT THOSE IN YOUR PACKET.I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION, CHERYL.
ON ITEM 2? WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WILL SECONDING THE MOTION AND THEN HE ABSTAINED.
IS THAT RIGHT? I DON'T TO? I SEE. VICE WOODRUFF AND SECONDED THE MOTION.
THE MOTION PASSED, BUT HE ABSTAINED TOO.
THAT'S WHAT I HAD ON MY NOTES, IF IT'S INCORRECT.
THE SECOND, CORRECT? IS THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER YOU SHOULD VOTE TODAY OR IS THE QUESTION ABOUT THE MINUTES? NO, NO, NO. MINUTES FROM LAST TIME.
HE SECONDED THE MOTION, BUT ABSTAINED FROM THE VOTE.
AND HONESTLY, THERE MAY HAVE BEEN 2 SECONDS AND I JUST PICKED ONE OF THE TWO.
AND THE ONLY I MEAN, WHAT THE SECOND DOES IS JUST BRINGS IT FORWARD FOR THE DISCUSSION.
SO I THINK THAT'S A PROCEDURAL ISSUE.
ANY QUESTIONS? ANY MORE QUESTIONS? IF NOT, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THOSE.
ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION FROM MR. WOODRUFF.
THE MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
ALL RIGHT, LET ME READ THE GENERAL AGENDA COMMENTS.
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[ITEM 2: ZBA2022-05—The Board to hold a public hearing, consider and take action on a request for a variance from the City of Decatur’s Zoning Ordinance regarding parking for the property proposed as Lot 1, Block 1, Chisholm Addition and more commonly referred to as 1500 South Deer Park Road, City of Decatur, Wise County, Texas. The request is for a variance to the City of Decatur Code of Ordinances, Appendix B, “Zoning,” Article 7, “Development Standards,” Section 7.3, “Off Street Parking and Loading Regulations,” Subsection 7.3.3, “Parking Requirements Based Upon Use.” The following parking requirements apply to the property located in the MF, Multiple-Family Residential District: Two and one-quarter (2 ¼) spaces for each dwelling unit within the apartment complex, pursuant to section A of subsection 7.3.3. The variance request seeks to reduce the minimum calculated parking space requirement from four hundred and fifty-nine (459) parking spaces to three hundred and fifty-seven (357) parking spaces. Additionally, pursuant to section B of subsection 7.3.3., the property also must comply with the following minimum parking space regulations: Recreational, Private or Commercial area or building (other than listed): Standalone: One (1) space per one hundred (100) square feet. This variance request seeks to reduce the minimum calculated parking space requirement from sixty-two (62) parking spaces to zero (0) parking spaces. (ZBA Application 2022-05 – Josh Jezek, on behalf of Deer Park QOZB, LLC)]
I HAVE CONSULTED WITH OUR ATTORNEY ABOUT WHETHER THERE MIGHT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WITH ME BEING PART OF THIS DELIBERATION.AND SHE ADVISES ME THAT THERE IS NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST LEGALLY, BUT IN AN ATTEMPT TO AVOID ANY PERCEPTION THAT THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE, I'M GOING TO RECUSE MYSELF ON THIS ITEM AND ASK OUR VICE CHAIR, MR. WOODRUFF, TO TAKE OVER ITEM TWO.
OKAY. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN MARK.
I GUESS AT THIS POINT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK BEFORE WE PROCEED, DO WE HAVE ANY ONLINE?
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FOLKS ATTENDING OR ANY INDICATIONS OF A DESIRE FROM SOMEONE WATCHING ONLINE TO ADDRESS? YES, SIR, THERE IS IT'S CHARLIE MOUSSA.HE IS PART OF THE APPLICANT WITH THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS JUST JESSICA.
WITH THE APPLICANT. ANYONE ELSE THAT'S NOT WITH THE APPLICANT, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC? NO, SIR. OKAY.
ITEM TWO, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING ITEM.
I GUESS I NEED TO READ THIS INTRODUCTION.
CORRECT. YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T HAVE TO READ THE WHOLE THING.
OH, I DON'T JUST ANNOUNCE THE CASE NUMBER AND WE'RE GOING TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. ITEM ITEM TWO HERE IS CASE NUMBER ZBA 2022 DASH ZERO FIVE AND THE BOARD TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, CONSIDER AND TAKE ACTION ON A REQUEST FOR A VARIANCE FROM OUR ZONING ORDINANCE REGARDING PARKING FOR THE PROPERTY.
SO I'M GOING TO WITH THAT AS A STATEMENT OF THIS ITEM, THEN I WILL ASK STAFF TO GIVE US YOUR INPUT.
HAVING A CHANCE TO MEET SOME OF YOU YET.
BUT IN HIS ABSENCE, I'M FILLING IN AND DOING THE BEST WE CAN TO KEEP THIS MOVING FORWARD.
THIS IS A VARIANCE REQUEST OF JOSH ON BEHALF OF DECATUR COSBY LLC FOR A VARIANCE FOR THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS TO REDUCE THE MINIMUM PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENTS FOR MULTIFAMILY FROM 459 PARKING SPACES TO 357 PARKING SPACES.
THAT AREA WOULD BE THE CLUBHOUSE AND AMENITY CENTER.
THAT'S THAT WOULD BE ALONG WITH THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
AS YOU KNOW, OUR PARKING ORDINANCE DOES REQUIRE SEPARATE USES, BE CLASSIFIED SEPARATELY FOR PARKING.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES IN.
A TOTAL OF 521 PARKING SPACES IS REQUIRED, A DIFFERENCE OF 164 PARKING SPACES.
THIS IS LOCATED AT 5500 DEER PARK ROAD.
IT'S RIGHT THERE AT THE END OF THOMPSON STREET ON DEER PARK ROAD.
AND THIS BE A NEW EDITION, NEW MULTIFAMILY EDITION.
SO THERE IS A PARKING EXECUTIVE SUMMARY IN HERE THAT THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED THAT BREAKS DOWN HOW THEY ARRIVED AT THIS NUMBER.
THEY ARE ASKING FOR 1.75 PARKING SPACES PER UNIT ON THERE.
I'M NOT SURE WE DID ASK WHERE THE WHAT THE WHAT THE CITIES THAT WERE IN THIS STUDY WERE.
WE DID NOT RECEIVE THOSE CITIES.
SO I DON'T KNOW. I CAN'T SAY WHAT THOSE ARE.
WE DID NOTIFY SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THE 200 FOOT BUFFER AREA.
SEVEN PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED.
WE RECEIVED NO RESPONSE FROM ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS.
THE REQUESTED SPECIAL EXCEPTION DOES VIOLATE THE INTENT AND SPIRIT OF THE ORDINANCE.
THE PARKING IS PART OF A PRIVATE PROPERTY DEVELOPMENT AND IS NOT SUBJECT TO PUBLIC ACCESS, AS WOULD BE EXPECTED FOR A BUSINESS AT THE DEVELOPMENT AT THIS TIME IS EXPECTED TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY WHICH WILL FURTHER LIMIT PUBLIC ACCESS.
PARKING SHOULD NOT OCCUR OUTSIDE OF THE GATED DEVELOPMENT.
THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IS 90 ACRES.
HOWEVER, ONLY 11.2 TO 2 ACRES WERE ANNEXED INTO THE CITY OF DECATUR.
APPLICANTS SHOULD HAVE DESIGNED THE PROJECT WITH ALL THE CITY'S REGULATIONS IN MIND.
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THERE ARE SOME REASONS THAT THEY HAD GIVEN FOR FOR THE DESIGN ON THAT.AND WE'VE OFFERED SOME SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVES THAT WE FELT WOULD FIT INTO THAT.
AND AGAIN, THE PROPERTY IS 90 ACRES WITH ONLY 11.2 ACRES ANNEXED.
THE HARDSHIP IS A RESULT OF THE APPLICANT'S ACTIONS.
THE ENTIRETY OF THE PROPERTY IS 90 ACRES.
HOWEVER, ONLY 11 ACTS WERE ANNEXED.
THE INTERPRETATION OF THE PROVISIONS OF THIS ORDINANCE WILL NOT DEPRIVE THE APPLICANT OF RATS COMMONLY ENJOYED BY OTHER PROPERTIES IN THE SAME ZONING DISTRICT THAT COMPLY WITH THE SAME PROVISIONS.
APPLICANT WAS WAS VERY ADAMANT THAT THAT HE WOULD LIKE TO GET AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER HE COULD GET A A VARIANCE TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS PRIOR TO.
PAYING FOR THAT PLAN AND SPENDING THE MONEY THAT IT WAS GOING TO TAKE TO DO THAT.
THAT WAY, IF THERE ARE CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE INCORPORATED, HE COULD DO THEM AT THAT TIME RATHER THAN DESIGN IT FOR THE CITY STANDARDS, THEN GET A VARIANCE AND HAVE TO REDESIGN IT AND BE OUT THE EXPENSE OF THAT.
BECAUSE OF THAT, WE DID DO A A REVIEW BASED ON A SITE PLAN THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US.
IT'S A LIMITED PLAN THAT THAT DOESN'T GIVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WE GENERALLY DO GET ON THESE PARKING VARIANCE APPLICATIONS. AND SO.
THERE ARE SOME SOME OPTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO THEM AND WE CAN GO FORWARD WITH THAT.
WE WANT TO GO OVER ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU KNOW OF.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM US? TURN THAT BACK ON.
I THINK QUESTIONS FROM BOARD MEMBERS FOR WAYNE AT THIS TIME BEFORE WE HEAR FROM THE APPLICANT.
GOOD AFTERNOON. SEE? GOT TO BE GREEN. THERE YOU GO.
I'M AT 755 SEVEN RAMBLER ROAD, SUITE 1400 IN DALLAS, TEXAS, 75 TO 31.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT FOR ABOUT A YEAR NOW WITH CITY STAFF, AND EVERYBODY HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT IN HELPING US HONE IN ON ON WHAT'S GOING TO BE VIABLE FOR THIS PROJECT AND GET US TO THE END GOAL OF, OF, OF THE VISION FOR THE SITE.
BUT AS WAYNE KIND OF ALLUDED TO, SOME OF THE MAIN CHALLENGES THAT KIND OF PUT US IN THE POSITION WHERE WE ARE AS FAR AS TRYING TO FIND THE BEST FIT FOR THE SITE, ARE THE PHYSICAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE POINTED OUT ON THE EXHIBIT, THAT'S FOR SURE.
I THINK, YEAH, THAT WORKS FINE.
SO SO AS WAYNE MENTIONED, YES, THE ENTIRE SITE IS 96 ACRES.
BUT AS FAR AS A VIABLE USE FOR MULTIFAMILY BEING RIGHT ON THE EXISTING STREET FRONTAGE OF DEER PARK, THERE WAS AN OBVIOUS AREA THAT WHERE WE WANT TO PLACE THIS PROJECT RIGHT OUT OF THE GET GO.
AND SO, CHERYL, FEEL FLIPPED TO THE NEXT.
I CALL IT SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE.
ONCE YOU ZOOM IN TO THAT CORNER THAT FRONTS DEER PARK, THEN YOU START LOOKING AT ALL THE EXISTING CONDITIONS AND THEN ALSO CITY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, DICTATE WHAT THE SITE PLAN WAS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.
FOR THAT. SO JUST TO POINT OUT THOSE, THOSE, THOSE PHYSICAL ENCUMBRANCES, WE'VE GOT A.
THE PUBLIC RIGHT-OF-WAY THAT WE HAVE TO EXTEND WEST THOMPSON ALONG OUR SOUTHERN FRONTAGE.
SO THAT'S THE BLUE BOX THAT'S ON THERE ALONG THE EAST SIDE AND SOUTH SIDE AND WEST SIDE.
SOME OF THEM HAVE RECENTLY BEEN INSTALLED IN THOSE LOCATIONS, SO THEY'RE FAIRLY NEW, BUT WE'RE WORKING TO FIND FURTHER DEFINE THOSE EASEMENTS, BUT THOSE KIND OF PIN US IN ON THE SOUTHWEST AND EAST SIDE AS WELL AS A 50 FOOT ONCOR TRANSMISSION LINE EASEMENT THAT'S GOING TO GO ALONG THE WEST SIDE.
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SO THAT THAT KIND OF CREATED THE RECTANGLE THAT WE STARTED FROM.AND THEN ONCE YOU START MIXING IN THE DETENTION REQUIREMENTS THAT FOR TO HANDLE DRAINAGE AS WELL AS THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OF DEER PARK AND THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT SET THE PROGRAMING FOR THE SITE.
OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FOR JOSH AT THIS POINT FROM BOARD MEMBERS? AND I CAN ALSO GO INTO A LITTLE BIT OF THE STUDY DATA THAT WAS THAT WAS PUT BEHIND IT AS FAR AS.
YEAH. I WOULD LIKE TO FOR YOU TO EXPLAIN ABOUT THAT.
YEAH. WELL, JUST A STATEMENT JUST TO.
AND ONE OF THE GENERAL STATEMENTS THAT THEY'VE MADE RIGHT OUT OF THE GATE IS THEY FEEL THAT UP TO 40% OF THE PARKING THAT'S IN THE METROPLEX OR IN THE SURROUNDING NORTH TEXAS REGION IS IS NOT BEING USED.
YOU'RE SEEING LOTS OF CITIES REVISITING THEIR PARKING, REALLY CALLING IT DOWN AND.
ABSOLUTELY. WELL, BUT BECAUSE OF THE OTHER OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE OUT THERE AND AND AND WITH TECHNOLOGY, ET CETERA, WE'RE SEEING THAT AS A TREND HOLISTICALLY.
AND WE, CHARLIE, WHO'S ON THE PHONE, THE DEVELOPER AND I HAVE DONE PROJECTS FOR DECADES.
WE'RE IN ALL TYPES OF ENVIRONMENTS, URBAN, SUBURBAN, ET CETERA.
WE RECENTLY HAVE A LOT OF THE DATA THAT'S IN THIS PRESENTATION.
THEY WERE ACTUALLY AT 2.0 AND DIDN'T HAVE THE ADDITIONAL CLUBHOUSE REQUIREMENT AS A 2.0 ACROSS THE BOARD PER UNIT, WHICH IS THE WAY WE NORMALLY SEE PARKING CALCULATED A LOT OF TIMES TRADITIONALLY IN CITIES IS THE CLUBHOUSE ITSELF IS NOT LOOKED AT AS ANOTHER USE.
IT'S PART OF THE COMPLEX AS A WHOLE.
SO YOU LOOK AT PARKING FROM THE STANDPOINT OF BEDROOMS, UNITS OR A COMBINATION THEREOF.
AND SO THE 1.75 THAT WE WERE USING IS WHAT WE'VE JUST SEEN HISTORICALLY AS A GOOD NUMBER.
EXCEPT TO SAY TWO PER BEDROOM.
1.75. I'M SORRY? PER UNIT. THEY WERE 2.0 AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THE REDUCTION TO 1.75.
AND THEN WITHIN THE DATA, IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT SIDE, THERE'S AN EXECUTIVE SUMMARY.
AND THEY LOOK AT IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THAT NATIONAL STANDARD IS 1.3 PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND SO WE KIND OF COMPARED THAT FROM THAT STANDARD THAT'S ACROSS THE BOARD.
AND WE WILL EXCEED THOSE METRICS WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THE CRITERIA.
AND SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE'VE WEIGHED.
WE'VE SEEN THE 1.5 TO 1.75 USED IN MULTIPLE CITIES.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE THE REQUEST DATA CAME FROM.
HERE. THAT DIFFERENCE IS 164 PARKING SPACES.
HOW MANY OF THAT 164 IS JUST ACCOUNTED FOR THAT PUBLIC? WHAT'S THE CLUBHOUSE? I THINK IT WAS. WAS IT? WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? HOW MANY OF THOSE PARKING SPACES IS ATTRIBUTED DIRECTLY TO THAT CLUBHOUSE?
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YES. CURRENTLY THERE IS NO PARKING ACCOUNTED FOR AND THEIR VARIANTS FOR THE CLUBHOUSE. YOU'RE ASKING YOU CALCULATED? YES. YOU REDUCED IT FROM WHATEVER THE CITY STANDARD REQUIRED IS ONE SPACE PER 100 SQUARE FEET.AGAIN, WITH WITHOUT KNOWING FOR SURE.
RIGHT. WITHOUT HAVING THAT DATA, WE'RE I'M COMING TO THE CONCLUSION THAT STAFF IS LIMITED IN THEIR ABILITY TO REALLY GIVE US, YOU KNOW, HARD EVIDENCE FINDINGS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THE PRELIMINARY PLANNING.
YES. SO YOU THERE ARE SOME THINGS ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL THAT YOU DON'T YOU DON'T FOR SURE.
NO. YOU'VE GOT THE CONCEPT DRAWING THAT HE'S PROVIDED AND ALL.
BUT YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU WOULD NORMALLY HAVE, BUT YOU HAVE REDUCED.
I UNDERSTAND IT. AND LOOKING AT THIS, YOU'VE REDUCED THE PARKING SPACES THAT OUR ORDINANCE WOULD CALL FOR, TO SUPPORT THE WHAT I WOULD CALL THE COMMON AREAS.
WHAT IS IT REFERRED TO AS? CLUBHOUSE, THE CLUBHOUSE AREA REGISTRATION OFFICE AND THAT KIND OF THING FROM WHATEVER WE REQUIRED, WHICH WAS WHAT, ONE SPACE FOR 100 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD PUT YOU UP IN THE 40 TO 50 SPACES, WHICH TO ME SEEMS A LITTLE MUCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THIS IN HERE SHOWS 6200 SQUARE FEET.
THAT WAS BASED ON SOME OF THE INFORMATION THAT WAS ON THE ANNEXATION.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE HAD THE 6200 SQUARE FEET, WHICH WOULD HAVE BEEN 62 SPACES.
YOU KNOW THAT IF IT'S 40 TO 60, THAT THAT'S WE WE DO THESE ALL THE TIME.
YOU KNOW, THE CLUBHOUSE IS NOT USED TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, A BIRTHDAY PARTY OR SOME PRIVATE EVENT.
THE POOL IS BEING USED BY ALL THE RESIDENTS.
DOES THIS YEAR YOUR PLAN DOES CALL FOR THIS TO BE A GATED COMMUNITY WITH A CONTROLLED ENTRANCE? SO THE USE, THE UTILIZATION OF THAT COMMON AREA, THAT CLUBHOUSE AREA AND POOL, WHATEVER IT IS THERE.
IS THAT GOING TO BE UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE PROPERTY MANAGER? CORRECT, YES.
OKAY. IT'S NOT JUST WIDE OPEN TO ANY RESIDENTS, ANY OF THE TENANTS IN THE PLACE CAN TYPE SET UP, YOU KNOW, A CALL BUTTON FOR FOR GAS, THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
SO. YES. OKAY. LIMITED FROM THAT STANDPOINT.
BUT. I'M GOING TO BE ON SITE NECESSARILY.
YEAH. YEAH, BUT YOUR POLICY IS GOING TO BE FOR THOSE TENANTS THAT THIS IS, AS YOU DESCRIBED EARLIER, IT IS FOR TENANT USE PRIMARILY, NOT FOR TWO OR THREE TENANTS TO INVITE 40 OR 50 PEOPLE TO COME OVER AND HAVE A POOL PARTY AND STUFF.
AND THAT'S HOW YOU SEE THESE, THESE FACILITIES COMMONLY USED.
YEAH, BUT I STILL WOULD HAVE A YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE SOME, SOME PEOPLE COMING TO THIS PROPERTY ON OCCASION I WOULD THINK THAT ARE NOT TENANTS, THEY'RE GOING TO BE POTENTIAL TENANTS OR THEY'RE COMING TO VIEW THE PROPERTY OR TO VISIT WITH SOMEBODY THERE. AND, YOU KNOW, TO HAVE THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT FOR YOUR COMMON AREA TO BE REDUCED TO ZERO SEEMS A LITTLE EXTREME TO ME.
I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT THERE'S NOT A NEED FOR WHAT YOU JUST SEE.
WE SEE MAYBE TEN OR 15 SPACES AND SOME OTHER PLACES, THE SITE.
YEAH. THAT'S PER BEDROOM, RIGHT? YEAH. IT DIDN'T.
DENTON'S CODE, ACTUALLY, IT'S A BLEND.
I THINK THEY DO 1.25 FOR A ONE BEDROOM.
AND I THINK IT'S IT'S 2.5 WHEN YOU GET UP TO A THREE BEDROOM.
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SO IT'S A IT'S A STAGGERED RANGE AND YOU LOOK AT IT FROM THAT STANDPOINT.AND SO WHEN YOU TAKE THAT, YOU KNOW.
IT'S A DIFFERENT MINDSET OF HOW YOU DO IT.
WE'RE TRYING TO APPLY A STANDARD ACROSS THE WHOLE THING THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THOSE.
AND THE COMMENT ABOUT CUTTING THE COMMON AREA.
IT'S FROM OUR LENS, THE WAY WE'RE LOOKING AT IT IS THAT'S USUALLY WE DON'T SEE THAT APPLIED AT ALL WHEN YOU'RE DOING PARKING CAPS, LIKE WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DENTON, THEY DON'T HAVE THAT BACKGROUND INFORMATION.
SO THAT'S, AND OUR OPINION IS THAT'S KIND OF AN EXTREME LOOK AT THAT THAT USE THAT'S KICKING IN A LOT OF PARKING REQUIREMENT THAT WILL DEFINITELY BE NOT YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, A SURPLUS THAT WILL NOT BE UTILIZED.
IT'S JUST ALL PART OF THE OVERALL PARKING CONCEPT FOR THE COMPLEX.
SO IF YOU GO BACK ONE MORE SLIDE, I THINK IT'S THE ACTUAL SITE PLAN.
OKAY, EVERYONE, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU USE YOUR MICS.
WE SEEM TO BE ON A CIRCLE THAT'S AROUND THE FRONT ENTRY.
YES. THE ROUNDABOUT? THERE'S ON THE LEFT SIDE OF THAT, THERE'S AN EYEBROW OF PARKING.
THAT'S WHERE WE USUALLY PUT THAT 8 TO 10 SPACES.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOUR POTENTIAL TENANTS COME.
THEY DO, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE DONE HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS OF APARTMENT COMPLEXES.
AND THIS IS ONE OF THEIR COMMON DESIGNS TO HELP FACILITATE THE NEEDS OF THE LEASING OFFICE.
BEING ABLE TO WALK TO THOSE FACILITIES FROM YOUR UNIT, EVEN IF YOU HAVE A GUEST THAT'S PARKING NEAR YOUR UNIT AND IT'S NOT DEDICATED SPACE, THERE ARE SOME OVERFLOW IN THE FRONT, BUT THAT'S OUTSIDE THE GATED AREA.
SO IT'S GOING TO BE LIMITED AND MAINLY FOR POTENTIAL TENANTS AND VISITORS DROP OFF DELIVERIES, THAT TYPE OF THING.
YOU'RE PROPOSING TO PROVIDE A TOTAL OF 357 PARKING SPACES. WHAT WAS THE MIX, AGAIN, OF, WHAT TYPE OF BEDROOM APARTMENTS? 108 ONE BEDROOM, 66 TWO BEDROOM, 33 BEDROOMS. THAT PROVIDES FOR A TOTAL OF 204 UNITS AND 330 BEDROOMS. YEAH. OKAY. THAT'S ON HERE SOMEWHERE.
WHICH PAGE IS THAT ON? IT DOESN'T BREAK DOWN THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS. OH, OKAY. THOSE ARE MY CALCULATIONS THAT I HAVE UP THERE.
YES. THE BEDROOMS, IT COMES OUT TO 334, 357 PARKING PLACES.
OKAY. THAT WAS ANOTHER CHECK FOR US.
FOR FOR THE GUESTS, ET CETERA.
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THE TOTAL OF 204 UNITS.WAYNE, WHAT IS THE RECOUNT? FIRST, AGAIN, WHAT IS THE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT STAFF WOULD LIKE TO HAVE IN ORDER TO BE THE FIRM HAS SOME FIRM UNDERSTANDING OF THIS AND WE'VE MADE SOME SOME SUGGESTIONS, BUT HAVE NOT HAD MUCH DISCUSSION ON THOSE. WE SPOKE WITH THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'RE BOTH HERE TODAY TO PROVIDE INPUT IF THE BOARD NEEDS ANYTHING FROM THEM.
BUT WE'VE COME UP WITH A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT THINGS, WHETHER IT'S PROVIDING OFF SITE PARKING OR USING A DIFFERENT SCHEMATIC FOR FOR THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES WHICH WOULD BE BASED ON BEDROOMS RATHER THAN UNITS.
WE FOUND A FEW DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
THAT DOES SEEM TO BE THE TREND IS TO BASE THE PARKING OFF OF BEDROOMS RATHER THAN OR THAN UNITS.
IT CAPTURES MORE OF WHAT WOULD BE IN THERE.
WE FOUND A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ORDINANCES.
THEY CALLED FOR 1.5 PARKING SPACES PER BEDROOM, ONE BEDROOM, TWO SPACES PER TWO BEDROOM AND 2.5 PER THREE BEDROOM. AND THEN THERE ARE DIFFERENT METHODS THAT THAT HAVE ACCOUNTED FOR THE GUESTS OR THE COMMON SPACE PARKING. I'VE HAD SOME OF THEM USE THE SAME METHOD WE DO WHICH WHICH BREAKS THAT USE OUT AS EITHER A BUSINESS USE OR AN OFFICE USE. BUT I DID FIND ANOTHER ONE THAT ADDED AN ADDITIONAL 10% TO THE PARKING FOR GUESTS AND AMENITIES. BUT MOST OF THE ONES THAT I LOOKED AT IN PARTICULAR DID ACCOUNT FOR ADDITIONAL GUESTS.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT OTHER ORDINANCES FROM OTHER CITIES THAT ARE TRYING TO GET A HANDLE ON THIS.
YES, WE AGREE THAT THE 2.25 MAY OVERREACH WITH THE NUMBER THAT IS ABSOLUTELY NEEDED.
BUT BUT NOT SURE THAT THE 1.75 CAPTURES WHAT NEEDS TO BE ON SITE TO KEEP UP THAT.
IF THERE WAS, I KNOW THAT THE APPLICANT HERE IS TRYING TO GET AN APPROVAL FOR THIS PROPOSAL WITHOUT BEFORE HE HAS TO GO TO THE EXPENSE OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT, WHICH I FULLY UNDERSTAND.
BUT I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE INDICATION THAT I GET FROM WHAT I'M SEEING IN HERE, THE STAFF REPORT ON THIS, WHICH IS WHAT WE'VE PRIMARILY GOT TO EVALUATE HERE ON THIS BOARD, IS THAT THERE'S ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE IN ORDER TO MAKE A FIRMER FINDINGS, FACT BASED DATABASE FINDINGS FOR US ON THIS.
WE'D LIKE TO NAIL DOWN SOME MORE SPECIFIC INFORMATION FOR SURE, BUT BUT AT LEAST GET THAT TO A POINT WHERE WE'RE BASING IT OFF OF THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS SO THAT IF THAT NUMBER CHANGES, IT WOULD INCREASE THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
I THINK THAT WAS A GOOD YOU KNOW, WE LOOKED AT THAT SPECIFICALLY ON THE LAST PROJECT THAT WE HAD BECAUSE IN THAT PROJECT IT TURNED OUT THAT THE THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE APARTMENTS WERE ONE BEDROOM UNITS, WHICH, YOU KNOW, TO US GREATLY REDUCE THE NEED FOR, YOU KNOW, PARKING SPACES AS OPPOSED TO MY CONCEPT OF OF APARTMENTS IS YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE MOSTLY TWO BEDROOM AND THEN MAYBE SOME THREE BEDROOM AND A FEW ONE BEDROOM APARTMENTS.
BUT IF YOUR COMPLEX IS 80% ONE BEDROOM, THEN YEAH, YOU DON'T NEED ALL THAT PARKING SPACE.
AND I'M NOT I DON'T WANT TO REQUIRE A PROPERTY OWNER HERE TO HAVE TO DEVELOP AND
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DEVOTE MORE OF HIS PROPERTY TO PARKING SPACES THEN ARE REALLY GOING TO BE NEEDED TO ADEQUATELY SUPPORT HIS PROJECT AND MAKE IT SUCCESSFUL.SO PEOPLE WANT TO COME THERE AND RENT AND LIVE IN THIS AREA AND I DON'T WANT IT TO, AT THE SAME TIME, I DON'T WANT HIS PROSPECTIVE SUCCESS TO BE HAMPERED BY A PERCEPTION FROM THE PUBLIC THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING OVER THERE.
YOU KNOW, SO I'D WANT IT TO BE A SUCCESSFUL AND HAVE LIKE TO HAVE JUST ENOUGH BUT NOT TOO MUCH.
YEAH. SO IT'S ALL A QUESTION OF, IN OUR VIEW, WHAT DO WE HAVE HERE? WHAT DOES EVERYBODY AGREE ON? THAT IS JUST ENOUGH, BUT NOT TOO MUCH AND NOT TOO LITTLE.
AND I THINK THAT OUR YOU KNOW, WHAT WE HAVE IN THERE IN OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE, LIKE ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE THAT FORMULA IN THERE THAT SAYS IT'S, YOU KNOW, ONE PARKING SPACE PER TEN SQUARE FOOT.
WE THAT MAY JUST GENERATE WAY TOO MANY TOO LARGE A REQUIREMENT FOR THAT.
SO I WOULD KIND OF AGREE THAT IT NEEDS TO BE LOWER THAN THAT.
BUT I'M, I DON'T I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO BE THAT NEEDS TO BE ZERO.
IT NEEDS TO BE THERE NEEDS TO BE WHATEVER THE FORMULA THAT IS BEING USED TO CALCULATE, THIS NEEDS TO BE ENOUGH TO HANDLE ALL OF THE RESIDENTIAL, THE TENANTS REQUIREMENTS FOR PARKING SPACES, PLUS THE SMALL AMOUNT OF VISITORS THAT COULD REASONABLY BE EXPECTED TO WANT TO DRIVE TO THIS PLACE COME IN, AND THAT YOU'D WANT TO BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE WHEN YOU'RE IN THERE.
SO WHAT YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE IS A PROBLEM WHERE PEOPLE ARE PARKING INTO PARKING IN AREAS THAT THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK IN BECAUSE THERE'S THE PERCEPTION THAT THERE'S JUST NOT ENOUGH PARKING PLACES OVER THERE.
AND WE'D LIKE FOR THEM TO NOT DO THAT.
AND WE HAVE END UP WITH A SAFETY PROBLEM.
SO ON THE ONE HAND, I AM NOT AVERSE TO, YOU KNOW, REDUCING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES THAT WE GET IN THIS PLACE TO SOMETHING LESS. BUT I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE MAY HAVE GONE TOO FAR HERE IN THIS.
AND I THINK IF WE HAD IF THE STAFF COULD GET MORE FIRM INFORMATION FROM THE APPLICANT ABOUT HOW WE CALCULATE THIS STUFF AND DEFINITELY LOOK AT BASING IT ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS, NOT JUST UNITS, I THINK THAT, I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT.
I WOULD DEFINITELY CONCUR WITH HIS COMMENTS ABOUT THE COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENTS AREA, LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AN OVERABUNDANCE OF PARKING REQUIREMENTS, ESPECIALLY IN COMMERCIAL AREAS AND NOT RESIDENTIAL AT APARTMENTS BUT IN COMMERCIAL AREAS. WE CERTAINLY DON'T NEED A LOT OF THAT, NOT IN THE LAST TWO YEARS BECAUSE PEOPLE HAVEN'T BEEN DRIVING TO THOSE WORK SITES TO WORK.
HOWEVER, MANY PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS BUILDING.
BUT THE THE EFFECT THAT WE'RE SEEING NOW IS IS WILL ALLUDED TO PEOPLE ARE STAYING HOME.
AND SO THE REQUIREMENT FOR PARKING SPACES AT THE RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHETHER IT'S MULTIFAMILY OR SINGLE FAMILY, MIGHT NEED TO BE A LITTLE MORE THAN WOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST.
IS THAT IN PARTICULAR, SOME OF THE REPORTS WE'RE READING IS ESSENTIALLY POST COVID.
WE'VE MOVED TELEWORKING A DECADE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE OF WHERE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN.
AND WE NEED TO BE COGNIZANT THAT IF WE'RE LOOKING AT PARKING DATA THAT WAS ALL DEVELOPED BEFORE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THAT ANSWER IS.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING I WOULD WANT MORE DATA.
I JUST KNOW IN MY OWN COMPANY, HALF MY STAFF IS NOT DRIVING IN TO MY OFFICE.
THEY ARE UTILIZING AT THEIR APARTMENTS AND TELEPHONING IN.
AND SOME OF THEM HAVE FIANCES OR SPOUSES AND THEY'RE STAYING HOME AS WELL.
I'M NOT SUBMITTING THAT RIGHT NOW.
I JUST AS ANYTHING TO BASE A DECISION ON OTHER THAN TO SAY I THINK IT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT AND GET THE RIGHT ANSWER, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE'RE YOU KNOW, THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL BE THERE FOR A WHILE AND.
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HOPEFULLY A LONG WHILE, LIVE WITH IT.AND I THINK IT'S PRUDENT WE AT LEAST CONSIDER THAT THAT WE'RE BASING THESE NUMBERS ON HISTORIC DATA WHEN WE KNOW MAJOR PARAMETERS, PARTICULARLY AS IT AFFECTS HIGH DENSITY RESIDENCES LIKE THIS THAT WE NEED DATA ON IT.
IF WE'RE GOING TO START VARYING, I'M KIND OF FITTING THE SAME WAY.
MASON, HAVE YOU GOT ANY COMMENTS? YOU LOOK LIKE YOU'RE READY TO SPEAK.
AS FAR AS THOSE ADDITIONAL PROPOSALS THAT YOU SAID, A COUNTEROFFER.
I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW YOU MENTIONED IT.
YOU SAID THAT THERE WASN'T ANY REALLY DISCUSSION BEYOND THAT BESIDES SENDING IT OVER TO HIM.
RIGHT. WE TOLD THEM THAT WE HAD SOME OTHER SOME OTHER IDEAS ON THAT.
WE HAVE NOT DISCUSSED THOSE THROUGH YET.
AND WE'D ALSO LIKE TO GET FIRE AND POLICE STATEMENTS ON RECORD ALSO.
WE ALSO HAVE TWO OTHER REPRESENTATIVES, THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS POINT.
GOOD. I'M SORRY. I'M I'LL HANG UP THE TIME HERE THINKING THAT I'M FORGETTING.
I'M THINKING THAT YOU'RE THE GUY.
OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, MADAM? OKAY, THEN IN THAT CASE, LET OTHER OTHER REPRESENTATIVES OF THE APPLICANT SPEAK TO THE GENTLEMAN ONLINE. OKAY, SIR.
CHARLIE MOUSSA WOULD LIKE TO TALK.
CHARLIE, ARE YOU THERE? BARB, PLEASE. OKAY.
CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? HELLO? YES, WE CAN.
CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? YES, WE STILL CAN.
I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO EVERYBODY TALKING.
WE. WE LOVE BEING IN THE CITY OF DECATUR.
WE ACTUALLY ARE EXCITED ABOUT COMING IN.
UM, I'M ACTUALLY FROM THE TEXAS METROPLEX.
I'VE BEEN BORN AND RAISED HERE MY ENTIRE LIFE.
I'M NOT GOING ANYWHERE. TEXAS IS WHERE WE LIVE.
TEXAS WHERE WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO LIVE.
MY WIFE MIGHT DISAGREE, BUT THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS.
ANYWAY, WE AFTER 23 YEARS OF DOING APARTMENT COMPLEXES, OVER 125 PROJECTS, ALL 200 UNITS PLUS EVERYTHING YOU'RE SAYING IS SOMETHING WE CONSIDER VERY HEAVILY.
IT'S A BALANCE. THE WHOLE THING IS A BALANCE.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE UNIT PLAN SPECIFICALLY.
WE SPEND A LOT OF TIME LOOKING AT THE BUILDING PLANS, THE SITE, THE AMENITIES, THE GREEN SPACE.
WE WANT TO GIVE THEM A FEELING OF THEY WANT TO COME HOME.
I MEAN, SOME OF THE PEOPLE AND I CAN TELL YOU IN ALL THE PROJECTS I'VE DONE, IT'S OVER 20,000 UNITS.
IT'S, THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S THEIR HOME.
THERE'S THERE'S SOMETHING MISSING.
IT'S TOO MUCH OF A THERE'S NO SPACE TO PUT AMENITIES THAT THEY WOULD LIKE.
BARBECUE GRILLS, A PLACE TO HANG OUT, NOT JUST THE POOL, BUT AREAS AROUND THE POOL, CABANAS, PLACES WHERE THEY CAN ACTUALLY SPEND TIME IF THEY WANT TO WALK THEIR DOG, DOG PARKS, DOG WASHES, THINGS THAT ACTUALLY MAKES AN APARTMENT COMPLEX.
THAT'S A GARDEN STYLE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
FEEL LIKE. LIKE WHAT? WE WANT THIS PROJECT TO FEEL LIKE.
WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANT TO BE UNDER PARKED.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE SPACES IN FRONT OF THE CLUBHOUSE.
WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF NOT PUTTING SPACES IN FRONT OF THE CLUBHOUSE, AND WHEN PEOPLE COME TO VISIT OTHER PEOPLE, THEY'RE GOING TO BE PARKING INSIDE THE COMPLEX BECAUSE THEY'RE INVITING THEM IN TO A CALL SYSTEM WITH AN ACCESS CONTROL ENTRY GATED COMMUNITY WE'RE IN.
WE'RE NOT EVEN SAYING THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE EXACTLY AT 1.75.
OUR INTENTION IS NOT TO GET TO THAT NUMBER.
BUT ONCE CALCULATING LIKE WE HAVE IN OTHER CITIES, IT TENDS TO GO UP.
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THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES TENDS TO JUST CLIMB BECAUSE THE CIVIL ENGINEER THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU, IT STARTS CALCULATING AND IT STARTS TO PENCIL IN THE DETENTION POND, MAY END UP SHRINKING, FOR EXAMPLE, BECAUSE IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE AS BIG TO TO BE THE DRAINAGE FOR THE PROPERTY.AND GOING BACK TO WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID.
AND EVEN THE NEXT OWNER, WE'RE NOT LOOKING TO PUT SOMETHING IN THE CITY OF DECATUR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, MAN, THEY REALLY SCREWED UP ON THIS DEAL AND NOW THEY'RE GONE AND THEY DON'T CARE. WE DON'T FEEL THAT WAY AT ALL.
WITHOUT A SITE PLAN, HOW DO WE HOW DO WE GET TO THE POINT WHERE WE SHOW YOU MORE DETAILS WITHOUT SPENDING A COUPLE HUNDRED THOUSAND TO GET THERE AND THEN POSSIBLY HAVE TO MAKE A CHANGE? THAT'S THE CONCERN IN THIS ECONOMIC TIME, RIGHT? I MEAN, WE'RE A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SHIED AWAY FROM DOING PROJECTS BECAUSE THEY SPEND A LOT OF MONEY AND THEN HAVE TO REDESIGN.
AND INTEREST RATES ARE RISING, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT EVERYBODY'S WORRIED ABOUT.
SO HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER TO GET TO THAT PLACE WHERE YOU CAN [INAUDIBLE]. OOP. DID WE LOSE HIM, CHARLIE? WE LOST YOU RIGHT THERE AT THE VERY END OF WHAT YOU WERE SAYING.
YOU WERE GETTING TO THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF YOUR CONVERSATION.
I MIGHT HAVE SAID, HOW CAN WE HELP DOING THAT? YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE A SITE PLAN PROCESS.
HOW DO WE GET THE LEVEL OF DETAIL THAT YOU WANT FOR SITE PLAN COMFORT WITHOUT HAVING TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS ON THE DESIGN AND WITH THE IDEA THAT IT MIGHT GET DENIED, ESPECIALLY IN THIS ECONOMIC TIME WHEN INTEREST RATES ARE RISING AND CONSTRUCTION COSTS ARE PUSHING US INTO A LOT HIGHER REQUIREMENT THAT MAKES PROJECTS LESS VIABLE.
SO HOW DO WE WORK TOGETHER TO ACCOMPLISH THIS IDEA TO SHOW YOU GUYS WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON.
OKAY. AND WAYNE, I'D SURE WOULD ADDRESS THAT TO YOU.
AND THEN GOING IN TO BASE THIS A PARKING VARIANCE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND THE PARKING THAT WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THOSE BEDROOMS AND STILL A VISITOR PARKING COMPUTATION.
AND ON THAT ALSO, HOW WOULD OFFSITE PARKING WORK? I MEAN, I KNOW HOW OFFSITE PARKING.
SURE. SO HERE I MEAN, ADJACENT TO THIS, OF COURSE, I BELIEVE THAT THE APPLICANT OWNS THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE ALL ADJACENT TO THIS, WHETHER IT'S ACROSS THOMPSON STREET.
ONCOR WILL ALLOW PARKING IN THAT AREA, NO STRUCTURES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
BUT BUT THEY WOULD THEY COULD PROVIDE PARKING IN THAT AREA.
I THINK THERE MAY BE SOME CONSTRAINTS ON THE APPLICANT'S PART.
WE'VE ASKED FOR MORE DETAILS ON THAT.
IT WILL BE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE EXTENSION OF THOMPSON STREET? YES. OKAY.
AN OPTION. THERE MAY BE SOME CONSTRAINTS THAT WE'RE NOT AWARE OF THAT WON'T ALLOW FOR THAT.
I UNDERSTAND. BUT YOU KNOW, THE OTHER THE OTHER THING THAT WE HAD LOOKED AT ON THERE IS, HEY, LET'S LET'S LOOK AT YOUR NUMBER OF BEDROOMS AND SEE IF WE CAN GET AWAY FROM THIS PER UNIT NUMBER THAT WE'RE DEALING WITH AND GET TO A MORE REALISTIC PER BEDROOM PARKING CALCULATION AND THEN FIND A WAY TO CALCULATE VISITOR OR ADDITIONAL PARKING INTO THAT.
THOSE ARE SOME THINGS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO EXPLORE WITH THEM, LIKE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE?
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YES, AT THEIR CONVENIENCE.DO YOU YOU MENTIONED EARLIER, ARE THERE OTHER CITY STAFF FOLKS THAT WANT TO MAKE A PRESENTATION TO US BOTH? WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON THIS LAST WEEK AND BOTH OF THEM EXPRESSED AN INTEREST OF BEING ABLE TO SPEAK AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS ON IT AND WHAT WE WERE AT.
WE ARE WE ALSO HAVE ONE MORE OF THE OWNER'S REPRESENTATIVES THAT WANTS TO SPEAK.
LET ME IF THERE'S ONE MORE OF THE OWNERS REPRESENTATIVE LIKE TO SPEAK, LET'S DO THAT AT THIS TIME.
AND THEN IF THERE IS ANYBODY FROM POLICE OR FIRE THAT WANT TO ADDRESS.
MY FAMILY MOVED TO TEXAS IN 1838.
MY FAMILY RANCH IS UP IN ALVORD.
AND I, ME AND A PARTNER BOUGHT THIS PIECE OF LAND.
I'VE OWNED APARTMENT COMMUNITIES FOR THE PAST 12 TO 15 YEARS WITH PARTNERS AND.
I DON'T WANT TO HAVE EXCESS PARKING SPOTS BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE THE PROPERTY IS VACANT AND IT'S NOT ATTRACTIVE AND IT INCREASES RUNOFF INTO OUR DETENTION POND.
AND AS CHARLIE MENTIONED, I DO NOT WANT TO TAKE AWAY FROM ANY GREEN SPACE OR AMENITIES FOR THE UNITS BECAUSE AMENITIES ARE WHAT MAKES THE PLACE A COMMUNITY.
I PROVIDE CLEAN, QUIET, AFFORDABLE UPSCALE HOUSING FOR WORKING CLASS AMERICANS.
AS WE WE SPOKE ABOUT IN PREVIOUS MEETINGS, US ALSO DEDICATING TO THE CITY ANOTHER ACRE TO THE SOUTH OF OUR PROPERTY TO TO ANNEX OR TO BUILD THOMPSON STREET FOR FOR THE CITY OF DECATUR.
BUT THEN OPERATING WITHIN THE CONSTRAINTS OF THE GAS LINES ON THE WEST SIDE, THE EAST SIDE, THE SOUTH SIDE, AND THE NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, WE'RE KIND OF SHUTTLED IN THERE AND WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE IT AS BEST AS WE CAN.
AND I'M GOING TO OWN AND OPERATE THIS PROPERTY FOR THE NEXT TEN TO 15 TO 30 YEARS OF MY LIFE.
SO I AM NOT GOING TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S GOING TO BE NOT DESIRABLE FOR A TENANT.
IT'S WHAT I DO. SO THANK YOU ALL AND.
I HIRED SOME OF THE BEST TEAM I COULD FIND.
CHARLIE'S NATIONAL, OUR ARCHITECT IS NATIONAL.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR CONSIDERING THIS VARIANCE BEFORE WE HAVE AN OFFICIAL APPROVED PLANS.
THANKS FOR CONSIDERING THIS TONIGHT.
THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS.
OKAY. NOW, CITY STAFF, OF COURSE, I KNOW.
I DON'T WANT TO FORGET OUR CITY ENGINEER, HE'S ONLINE.
AND IF HE HAS ANY ANY COMMENTS TO SAY WE WANT TO INCLUDE HIM IN THIS AS WELL.
BUT IF HE HAS ANYTHING HE WANTS TO ADD TO THAT LATER, LET'S GET HIM TO.
AS WE HEAR FROM PUBLIC SAFETY AT THIS TIME.
OKAY. GOOD AFTERNOON, EVERYBODY.
WE DID WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS PROJECT THE OTHER DAY.
THE CHIEF OF POLICE FOR THE CITY OF DECATUR, ALL THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING ONLINE.
WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS THE OTHER DAY.
HISTORICALLY, FOR US, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT COMES UP OBVIOUSLY HAS TO DO WITH THE PARKING.
BUT JUST SPEAKING HISTORICALLY ON APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND OTHERS THAT WE HAVE IN THE CITY CURRENTLY, THE ISSUE WE RUN INTO IS, IS WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING SPOTS IS WE HAVE ISSUES WITH PEOPLE PARKING IN HANDICAPPED, BECAUSE THOSE ARE TYPICALLY ONE OF THE LAST SPOTS AND SPACES THAT ARE NOT TAKEN UP. AND SO THEN THAT'S WHEN WE START GETTING COMPLAINTS AND WE START GETTING CALLS AS A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICE TO COME AND TO THEN EITHER TICKET INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE IN THERE OR TRY TO GET THEM TO MOVE.
TYPICALLY, THAT INVOLVES TICKETING INDIVIDUALS, AND THIS HAS BEEN A ISSUE FOR US WITH SEVERAL OF THE CURRENT LOCATIONS THAT WE HAVE. PARTICULARLY OUR BIGGEST ONE THAT WE HAVE THE ISSUES AT IS THE ON THOMPSON STREET, THE 950
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LOCATION. THAT RIGHT NOW IS WE'RE CONSTANTLY DEALING WITH HANDICAPPED VIOLATIONS AT THAT LOCATION.AND SO THAT JUST THAT TENDS TO BE THE BIGGEST ISSUE THAT WE COME ACROSS.
YOU KNOW, THE FIRE LANES AND EVERYTHING THAT'S MORE ON THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SIDE.
BUT FOR US, IT IS WHEN THERE'S A LACK OF THOSE PARKING SPOTS IT USUALLY DOES RUN INTO, THEN HANDICAPPED SPOTS ARE GETTING FILLED AND THEN THE PEOPLE WHO DESPERATELY NEED THOSE ARE NOT ABLE TO ACCESS THOSE.
OTHER THAN THAT, DUDE, WE THINK THIS IS A PHENOMENAL PROJECT.
IT PROVIDES A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY HERE.
AND WE APPRECIATE THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP WE'VE HAD WITH THEM BASICALLY FOR PAST YEARS.
SO OTHER THAN THAT, THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UNLESS YOU GOT SOME QUESTIONS FOR ME.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE CHIEF? I THINK I'D BE INTERESTED. YOU MENTIONED THAT PROPERTY ON THOMPSON.
THEIR CURRENT PARKING SPOTS PER UNIT OR PER CONDO ROOM IS.
GOOD. BUT HAS THE CITY REQUIREMENT BEEN DRASTICALLY EXPANDED IN RECENT TIME? WHEN WAS IT CHANGED? THIS HAS BEEN IN PLACE FOR QUITE SOME TIME.
IT WAS PROBABLY IN PLACE WHEN THOSE APARTMENTS WERE BUILT.
IT WAS DEFINITELY IN 2015 THAT THAT WAS THERE.
WELL, WAS THIS WAS THIS CHANGED WHEN WE REVISED THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
OKAY. SO THE NUMBERS PRIOR TO 2015.
ARE THE REQUIREMENTS. THE FORMULAS MIGHT HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT.
I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER.
JUST HAVING THOSE NUMBERS IN PLACE FOR ALREADY HAVING PROBLEMS AND THAT ONES AT 1.75 PER ROOM.
YEP. WE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT'S NOT GATED.
IT'S NOT. OKAY, CHIEF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS.
LET ME LET ME HEAR FROM THE FIRE CHIEF HERE, THE BRAND NEW FIRE CHIEF.
I'M JUST GOING TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST.
IN THE BEGINNING, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT PARKING AND HOW MUCH AND SHOULD BE AND NOT BE OKAY.
BUT WHAT I CAN BRING TO YOU TO THE TABLE IS THE FACT THAT WE GO TO THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES DAILY.
AND WHAT WE HAVE BEEN SEEING OVER THE LAST YEAR OR TWO IS WHEN THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING, BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE UNITS HAVE OIL AND GAS COMPANIES, THEY HAVE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES.
SO THEY'LL HAVE TAKE HOME VEHICLES, THEY'LL HAVE RESIDENTIAL VEHICLES.
MANY OF THEM PULL TRAILERS AND THEY LIVE THERE.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY'RE GOING TO PARK THERE REGARDLESS OF HOW THAT OCCURS.
WELL, UNLIKE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, OUR VEHICLES ARE ANYWHERE FROM 25 TO 45 FOOT LONG.
SO IF YOU GET TOO MANY PARKS, IT TIGHTENS THINGS UP.
IF YOU GET TOO MANY OR NOT ENOUGH PARKING, IT CAUSES ISSUES.
AND THE TRUST ME, THEY DON'T CARE.
THEY WILL PARK JUST ABOUT ANYWHERE THEY CAN.
I CAN GO TO SEVERAL OF THESE APARTMENT COMPLEXES NOW AT NIGHT AND ARE PACKED.
I CAN'T ANSWER IF IT'S BECAUSE OF THE THREE BEDROOMS. THE TWO BEDROOMS. I WILL SAY THIS AND CAN ANSWER TO IT.
IS OUR REQUIREMENTS TOO MUCH POSSIBLY.
IS THEIR NUMBER TOO LOW? POSSIBLY. BUT I DO THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME MORE DATA MYSELF OUT THERE THAT MAKES IT EASIER AND MORE LOGICAL FOR EVERYBODY INVOLVED.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR CHIEF BENNETT? MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? OKAY. THANK YOU, CHIEF.
NOW, ANYBODY ELSE ON STAFF GOT COMMENTS? OKAY. CITY ENGINEER.
CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN. CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, GO AHEAD.
SO YOU HAVE A COPY OF MY MEMO IN YOUR PACKETS.
I THINK IT'S THE LAST PAGE IN THE PACKET.
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I'M LIKE THE FIRE CHIEF AND POLICE CHIEF.PARKING'S REALLY NOT A PUBLIC WORKS OR AN ENGINEERING TYPE ISSUE.
BUT UNDER PARKING CREATES ISSUES LIKE CHIEF BENNETT BROUGHT UP, TOO.
SO. THE THE APPLICANTS MENTIONED A COUPLE OF TIMES ABOUT HOW MUCH IT WAS GOING TO HAVE TO PAY.
I THINK THIS PROJECT'S BEEN PRESENTED TO US AS BEING VALUED AT SOMETHING LIKE $20 MILLION, 100,000, $200,000. ENGINEERING FEES ARE NOT UNREASONABLE.
WE TYPICALLY SEE ENGINEERING RUN 8 TO 12%.
SO HIS NUMBERS HE'S THROWN OUT TO YOU ARE REASONABLE.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD OTHER THAN WHAT I INCLUDED IN MY MEMO.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM COUNCIL MEMBERS FOR CITY ENGINEER ON HIS INPUT? IF NOT, THEN IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHING TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THIS TOPIC? VICE CHAIRMAN WE'VE NOT REALLY OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE'VE JUST HAD APPLICANT AND STAFF PRESENTATIONS THUS FAR.
SO OKAY, I'M SORRY, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING TO DO.
THAT IS NOT CITY STAFF, NOT THE APPLICANT THAT WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD.
ANYONE? OKAY, CHERYL? NONE AT THIS POINT.
OKAY. NOBODY IN HERE AND NOBODY ONLINE IN THAT CASE.
YOU WANT TO GO OR YOU WANT ME TO GO? YOU FIRST, JOSH, GO. DEFINITELY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S INPUT.
SO I'LL LET CHARLIE MAKE THE FINAL DECISION.
BUT I KNOW ONE OF THE THINGS IN FRONT OF US AT THIS POINT IS TO POTENTIALLY TABLE IT, GO BACK, DO SOME, DO SOME WORK WITH WAYNE AND GET THE NUMBERS AND MORE, YOU KNOW, IN A MORE OF A FASHION THAT YOU GUYS WOULD LIKE TO SEE AND MAYBE GET TO CLOSER FIND SOME COMMON GROUND.
OKAY. CHARLIE, DO YOU WANT TO SPEAK TO THAT AT ALL? CHARLIE, YOU'RE UP.
OBVIOUSLY, WE'VE REACHED A POINT NOW WHERE WE ARE.
THE PROCESS TO COME TO YOU GUYS AT THE ZBA AND NOT HAVE TO SPEND THAT MONEY.
WE APPRECIATE YOU GUYS BEING ABLE TO MAKE THIS HAPPEN FOR US.
AND IF THE DECISION NEEDS TO BE TO TABLE IT SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY GO BACK AND GET MORE SPECIFIC DATA TO YOU GUYS TO LOOK AT THIS, THEN THAT'S WHAT IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE.
WE HAVE NO INTENTION TO TRY TO BRING A BAD APARTMENT COMPLEX TO DECATUR.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GETTING TO KNOW THE POLICE AND FIRE DEPARTMENTS.
WE DO WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE THINK ABOUT ON EVERY PROJECT.
BUT IF THAT'S WHAT IS IS THE THE ROUTE WE SHOULD GO THEN THEN MAYBE.
SO IF WE CAN GET MORE DATA OVER TO WAYNE AND TO STAFF.
BUT WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS ON THAT, OBVIOUSLY.
THANKS SO MUCH FOR HEARING US OUT.
ANY? YOU ALL GET TO CONCLUDE YOUR COMMENTS? OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANYONE ELSE FROM CITY STAFF? NO, THAT'S I BELIEVE THAT'S THE, THAT'S ALL.
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ANOTHER MEETING, THEN IN ORDER FOR US TO AVOID HAVING TO REPUBLISH AND RE NOTICE, THEN WE'LL NEED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING.I'M SORRY. SAY THAT. SAY THAT FOR ME AGAIN.
SO IF THE THOUGHT IS BASED ON THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST AND WHAT YOU'VE HEARD FROM STAFF ABOUT THEM HAVING LOOKED AT ALTERNATIVES AND THINKING THAT, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE SOME OTHER OPTIONS AVAILABLE AT THIS POINT, WE PUBLISHED AND SENT OUT NOTICES FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT FOR THE BOARD HERE, IF THAT IS OUR FEELING AND OUR CONSENSUS ON THIS, THAT WE THE MOTION WOULD BE TO? TO CONTINUE THE FIRST YOU NEED TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE TO THE DATE CERTAIN OF AUGUST THE 15TH, CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO A DATE CERTAIN OF AUGUST THE WHAT? 15TH. 15TH? OKAY.
3:30 P.M., WHICH IS THE NEXT REGULAR ZBA MEETING.
AND THEN AFTER THAT, THEN THE BOARD CAN TAKE A VOTE ON.
OKAY. THANK YOU, MADAM COUNSELOR, FOR THAT EXCELLENT LEGAL ADVICE.
LET ME JUST SAY HERE NOW FOR BOARD DISCUSSION TIME, IT'S I'VE KIND OF COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT ALTHOUGH I WOULD, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PROJECT IN GENERAL.
I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO SEE THIS GO FORWARD.
I'D, AS A MEMBER OF THIS ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT, I FEEL THAT I NEED TO BE ABLE TO BASE MY ACTIONS AND CONCLUSIONS ON SUFFICIENT DATA AND INFORMATION THAT IS PROVIDED TO US.
AND THAT STAFF FEELS IS ABSOLUTELY WE'RE DONE.
WE GOT IT ALL. WE DON'T NEED ANY MORE.
HERE WE ARE. AND I'M KIND OF I'VE COME TO THE CONCLUSION IN LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS HERE THAT WE MIGHT NEED TO ALLOW FOR SOME TIME, FOR A LITTLE MORE INFORMATION TO BE PROCESSED AND HAVE IT BROUGHT FORTH.
SO I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARD THIS IDEA OF CONTINUING THIS UNTIL THE UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING IS IN THE WAY THAT OUR ATTORNEY HAS JUST ADVISED.
WHAT ARE YOURS? LET ME START WITH YOU, MASON.
YEAH, I THINK ADDITIONAL DATA WOULD NOT HURT COMPARING THE EXISTING COMPLEXES THAT WE HAVE IN TOWN AND SEEING THOSE PARKING REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE GATED, SPECIFICALLY THAT JULIE STATED I THINK WOULD BE A GOOD THING.
I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN WHAT ITS RATIO WAS, AND I'M MINDFUL OF WHAT THE FIRE CHIEF MENTIONED ON DYNAMICS HE'S SEEING AS WE'RE GETTING EVEN MORE VEHICLES AND PEOPLE HAVE COMPANY VEHICLES AND THEN THEIR PERSONAL AND I THINK THE WHOLE DYNAMICS RIGHT NOW OF PARKING AT RESIDENCES IS, I CAN'T, I DON'T HAVE THE DATA TO SHOW YOU THAT IS EVOLVED ANECDOTAL DATA I'M SAYING SAYS WE NEED WE SHOULD SEE THAT BEFORE WE JUST WAIVE AND REDUCE THE CURRENT CITY STANDARD.
OKAY, JULIE, GET SOME MORE DATA AS WELL.
OKAY. SOME OF THE POINTS THAT THE CHIEF BROUGHT UP ARE VERY GOOD.
THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE LIKE PEOPLE PULLING INTO APARTMENTS IN DENTON.
THE THE NUMBER OF ONE TON TRUCKS IN WISE COUNTY IS VERY DIFFERENT THAN DENTON COUNTY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE TONS, DUALLIES.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TRAILERS.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EXTRA VEHICLES.
AND SO WE IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND WHEN WE'RE WORKING A CALCULATIONS, THESE FORMULAS HERE AS OPPOSED TO WHAT WE MIGHT HAVE IN SOUTH LAKE OR PLANO, I'VE BEEN IN THOSE CITIES AND I DRIVE AROUND AND THE VEHICLES ARE VERY MUCH DIFFERENT FROM WHAT I'M GOING TO SEE UP HERE IN DECATUR, ESPECIALLY WORKING FOLKS HERE, LIKE THE OWNER OF THIS COMPLEX JUST DESCRIBED.
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HE'S LOOKING FOR QUALITY RESIDENTIAL, FOR PROPERTY, FOR WORKING FAMILIES.AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
WHILE I'M, AT THIS POINT, I'M GIVEN IT, I THINK THAT'S KIND OF WHERE OUR CONSENSUS IS.
WOULD IT BE OKAY FOR ME TO OFFER A MOTION AND WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT MY MOTION GETS PROPERLY WORDED? YES, SIR.
YOUR MOTION IS GOING TO BE CONTENT TO CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AUGUST THE 15TH 2022 AT 3:30 P.M., AND THEN IT SOUNDS LIKE THE MOTION IS TO TABLE ANY FURTHER ACTION.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE OUR PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL AUGUST THE 15TH AT 3:30 P.M., AND TABLE ANY ACTION ON THIS MOTION UNTIL WE COMPLETE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THAT TIME.
IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY, THAT'S MY MOTION.
WOULD SOMEBODY LIKE TO SAY, OH, THANK YOU, WILL.
WILL WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT MOTION.
AYE. NOTE THAT WE HAVE FOUR AYES.
I BELIEVE THAT CONCLUDES OUR AGENDA FOR TODAY.
THAT. YES, AS OF THE AGENDA POSTING AUGUST 15TH, 2022 CURRENTLY HAD NO ZBA PLANNING APPLICATIONS AND THEIR SUBMITTAL DEADLINE WAS TODAY AT 5 P.M., WHICH IS IN 15 MINUTES.
BUT WE NOW KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE A NEED TO MEET.
HAVE I COVERED EVERYTHING? WE DID NOT GET ANY ITEMS FOR THE AGENDA TOO, SO IT WILL JUST OKAY.
SO AT THIS POINT IT WILL BE A ONE AGENDA ITEM MEETING, A CONTINUED PUBLIC HEARING.
OKAY. ONCE AGAIN, THANK YOU ALL FOR ATTENDING.
THANK YOU, GUYS.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.