[00:00:01] PATRICIA, ARE YOU GOOD? GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE'RE GOING TO GO AHEAD AND [Call to Order] OPEN UP THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETING FOR JANUARY THE 4TH. IT IS 5:33. CALL TO ORDER ON ITEM NUMBER ONE. [ITEM 1: Consider and take appropriate action regarding approval of the Planning and Zoning Commission Meeting Minutes from December 2, 2021] CONSIDER AND TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION REGARDING APPROVAL OF THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION MEETINGS FROM DECEMBER THE 2ND OF 2021. COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS PERTAINING TO THE MINUTES, IF NONE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE, I NEED A SECOND. SECOND, THOSE IN FAVOR SAY, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. WHO'S SPEAKING? HELLO. OK. HELLO. WHO'S LEADING THE MEETING? I'M SORRY, I CAN'T SEE ANYBODY. DEDRA, IT'S ME, MY VOICE IS A LITTLE HOARSE. CECIL. CECIL, OK. OK, WE'RE FIXING TO GO INTO A PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS AND WHEN WE GO INTO PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS, THE COMMISSION, THE COMMISSION IS NOT ALLOWED TO ASK QUESTIONS. RESPOND TO QUESTIONS OR COMMENT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING. THE COMMISSIONERS WILL RESERVE ALL THE QUESTIONS UNTIL AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND THEN THE DISCUSSION ITEM WILL BE OPEN. OK. ITEM NUMBER TWO, WE'RE GOING TO BE CLOSED AND GOING INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. [Items 2 - 4] IT IS NOW 5:34, DEDRA. ITEM NUMBER TWO. [INAUDIBLE] I CAN'T SEE YOUR SCREEN. IS THAT WORKING NOW? NOW I CAN SEE IT. WELL, I COULD SEE IT BUT IT WENT OFF. DO YOU WANT ME TO GO AHEAD AND READ IT? NO, IT'S THERE. I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. WE'RE GOING TO DO THE PRESENTATION FOR THESE NEXT THREE ITEMS TOGETHER, BUT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO NEED TO TAKE SEPARATE ACTION FOR EACH OF THE APPLICATION. SO PAUSE FOR JUST A MINUTE DEDRA. SO CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND OPEN PUBLIC HEARING NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR, THEN YOU CAN DO THAT AND DEDRA CAN MAKE HER SINGLE PRESENTATION. OK, AND THEN CLOSE IT AFTER THREE. AFTER FOUR. YES, SIR. OK, SO WE'RE GOING TO OPEN UP THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TWO, THREE, AND ON ITEM NUMBER TWO, THREE, AND FOUR. OK. DEDRA, GO AHEAD. ALL RIGHT. [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS HEAR STAFF REPORT AND PUBLIC HEARING ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION A2021-01 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT, CP2021-02 AND ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION ZC2021-03 . THIS IS A REQUEST BY MR. JOSH JEZEK, ON BEHALF OF PROPERTY OWNER DEER PARK QOZB, LLC AND AGAIN, THE APPLICATIONS ARE A2021-01, CP2021-02, AND ZC2021-03. FIRST LET'S GET INTO TO ANNEX THE PROPERTY THAT'S DESCRIBED IN THE NEXT SLIDE INTO THE CITY LIMITS, TO THE CITY TO AMEND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP. GO BACK, PLEASE. TO AMEND THE CITY'S COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE MAP TO PROVIDE FOR THE LAND USE DESIGNATION OF ACTIVITY CENTER ON THE PROPERTY DESCRIBED IN THE NEXT SLIDE TO BECOME EFFECTIVE UPON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE ANNEXATION, AND THREE TO AMEND THE CITY ZONING ORDINANCE AND OFFICIAL ZONING MAP FOR THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF MULTIFAMILY TO BECOME EFFECTIVE UPON THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF ANNEXATION. NEXT SLIDE. THE TRACT OF LAND IS GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF CROSSROADS CHURCH. IT IS THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE OF THE CHURCH IS APPROXIMATELY 118.4 FEET NORTH WEST OF THE CENTERLINE OF THOMPSON STREET AND APPROXIMATELY 98.9 FEET WEST [00:05:05] OF THE CENTERLINE OF DEER PARK ROAD ADJACENT TO THE CURRENT CITY LIMITS IN DECATUR'S WESTERN ETJ. IT'S DESCRIBED BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS ON THE SURVEY LOCATED AT OUR BUILDING AND ALSO IN THE STAFF REPORT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THESE THREE APPLICATIONS HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED FOR CONSIDERATION BY DEER PARK TO QOZB, LLC. THE PROJECT IS CALLED THE CHISHOLM ADDITION. IT IS APPROXIMATELY 11.22 ACRES OF LAND AND IT INCLUDES 10.85 ACRES OF LAND WHERE ADJACENT TO THE CORPORATE LIMITS. AND TWO POINT, I'M SORRY AND THREE, EXCUSE 10.852 ACRES OF LAND WHERE ADJACENT TO THE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE CITY AND 0.363 ACRES OF LAND THAT'S LOCATED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS OF DECATUR, SO THEY'RE ANNEXING A LARGE PORTION BUT THERE'S ALSO A SMALL TRACT THAT'S ALREADY IN THE CITY LIMITS THAT THEY WILL BE ZONING AND WE'LL BE AMENDING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. THE LAND USES WORDS EXTENDED IN THE ETJ ON A FAIRLY LIMITED BASIS PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. AND THEN WHEN WE ADOPTED THAT PLAN, WE TRIED TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THE LAND THAT'S WITHIN THE CITY LIMITS AND IN THE ETJ. THE CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATIONS FOR THIS PARTICULAR [INAUDIBLE] IS AGRICULTURE AND RURAL LIVING OR AR AND ESTATE LIVING EL. HOWEVER, A MORE APPROPRIATE LAND USE DESIGNATION IS THE ACTIVITY CENTER LAND USE DESIGNATION BASED ON THE PROPERTY'S LOCATION. SURROUNDING LAND USES INCLUDE THE STATE LIVING TO THE NORTH AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LIVING, OR AR TO THE SOUTH. TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE EAST. AND AR TO THE WEST. NEXT SLIDE. THE CURRENT ZONING, THERE IS NO ZONING SINCE IT'S IN THE ETJ FOR THE BULK OF THE PROPERTY, THAT SMALL PORTION THAT IS LOCATED INSIDE THE CITY LIMITS. IT IS ZONED SINGLE FAMILY ONE. THE PROPOSED ZONING DESIGNATION IS MULTIFAMILY FOR THE ENTIRE 11.22 ACRES. SURROUNDING ZONING TO THE NORTH IS S.F. ONE. SURROUNDING TO THE SOUTH IS ETJ. THE EAST IS SINGLE FAMILY ONE AND PLAN DEVELOPMENT AND TO THE WEST IS ETJ. AGAIN, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING MULTIFAMILY ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF MULTIFAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THESE APPLICATIONS ARE BEING PROCESSED CONCURRENTLY. THERE'S THREE AND APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE THE ZONING CHANGE MAY BE APPROVED NEXT SLIDE. AND THESE ARE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OBJECTIVES, TALKS ABOUT WHAT ACTIVITY CENTERS MEAN, THEY OFFER THE ABILITY TO LIVE, WORK, AND PLAY IN ONE GEOGRAPHIC COMPACT AREA WITH THE HIGH INTENSITY OF USES ORGANIZED AROUND NODES OF ACTIVITY. THIS PLACE TYPE INCLUDES A MIXTURE OF DIFFERENT HOUSING OPTIONS WITH CLOSE PROXIMITY TO GOODS AND SERVICES THAT RESIDENTS USE ON A DAILY BASIS. PRIMARY LAND USE INCLUDES RETAIL, COMMERCIAL CONDOMINIUMS, APARTMENTS, OFFICES, ENTERTAINMENT CENTER SERVICE AND OFFICE USES HOTELS AS WELL. CIVIC AND INSTITUTIONAL USES ARE SECONDARY. THE ACTIVITY STANDARD LANGUAGE IS CONSISTENT WITH MULTIFAMILY ZONING. NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS IS JUST THE LOCATION MAP. FROM THE PROPERTY. THIS IS THE SCHEDULE THAT WAS PROVIDED TO THE APPLICANT AND THAT WE ARE FOLLOWING TODAY, WE'RE HAVING OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE ANNEXATION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT AND ZONING. THERE IS NO MANDATE BY STATE LAW, BUT THE ANNEXATION BILL BEFORE P&Z, BUT SINCE THESE APPLICATIONS ARE BEING PROCESSED TOGETHER, WE ARE BRINGING IT FOR YOUR BEFORE YOU, FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. NEXT SLIDE. THERE YOU HAVE THE EXISTING PROPOSED LAND USES. [00:10:04] NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING. NEXT SLIDE. WE DID SEND NOTIFICATIONS TO 10 PROPERTY OWNERS. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES THAT OPPOSED, IN FAVOR, OR NEUTRAL. NEXT SLIDE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A2021-01 SERVICE ANALYSIS AND THE SERVICE PLAN STAFF. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CP2021-02 THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT ASSOCIATED WITH THE ANNEXATION AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ZC2021-03 THE ZONE CHANGE REQUESTS ASSOCIATED WITH THIS ANNEXATION. THANK YOU, DEDRA. YOU'RE WELCOME. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPENED AT 5:44. DO WE HAVE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS? OK. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS? OKAY. IF THERE'S NO ONE ELSE WISHING TO SPEAK, THEN THE PUBLIC HEARING WILL BE CLOSED AT 5:45. OK, COMMISSIONERS. WE NEED TO ACT ON EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, SO ON ITEM TWO. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? WE ACT ON ALL THREE SIMULTANEOUSLY OR JUST INDIVIDUALLY ALL RIGHT. THEY'VE ALL GOT TO BE INDIVIDUALLY WORKED ON. AGAIN, ITEM NUMBER TWO, ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS, IF NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. [INAUDIBLE]. A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY ITSELF. I THINK IT'S 80 OR 90 ACRE PROPERTY. AND I'M JUST CURIOUS ARE CONCERNED IF THEY WANT TO TRY AND PIECEMEAL IT INTO THE CITY A LITTLE BIT AT A TIME, OR WOULD THEY BE INTERESTED IN BRINGING ALL OF IT INTO THE CITY OR DO THEY PLAN TO NEVER BRING THE REST OF IT INTO THIS CITY? MR. [INAUDIBLE]. CHARLIE [INAUDIBLE]. YES. YOUR VOICE IS VERY MUFFLED NETWORK. I CHANGED NETWORKS SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. THAT'S A LITTLE BETTER. YES. OK. THIS IS CHARLIE [INAUDIBLE], I'M ACTUALLY ON THE PHONE, I'M WITH THE OWNERS AND FIRST OF ALL, CAN YOU GUYS HEAR ME? YES, WE CAN. YES, SIR. IT'S UNKNOWN AT THIS TIME. WHAT IF WE'RE GOING TO PUT THE WHOLE ENTIRE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY? BUT IT'S DEFINITELY BEING CONSIDERED BECAUSE BEING PART OF THE CITY HAS MANY BENEFITS, AND I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE AN ADDITIONAL REQUEST TO AT A LATER TIME TO BRING MORE PARTS OF THE PROPERTY INTO THE CITY. I DON'T KNOW THAT I WOULD SAY WE'RE SURE THAT ALL OF IT, BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE A REQUEST FOR MORE AT SOME POINT. YES, SIR. OK, ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS. IS THERE ANYONE THAT COULD SPEAK TO THE IMPACT ON THE FIRE ISSUE? I NOTICED THERE WAS A PRETTY NEGATIVE REPORT ON IT ABOUT THE ABILITY OF THE CURRENT FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HANDLE IT. BUT I KNOW THAT'S OVER TIME AND WE DON'T WANT TO HOLD UP PROGRESS BECAUSE OF GETTING BEHIND, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO GET TOO MUCH AHEAD OF OURSELVES. SO THERE'S SOMEONE HERE COULD ADDRESS THAT. I AM JOSH JEZEK. DO I NEED TO STATE MY ADDRESS OR ANYTHING? CAN YOU NOT HEAR HIM? OH. GO AHEAD, JOSH. I'M WORKING WITH CHARLIE [INAUDIBLE] THE DEVELOPER. JOSH JEZEK WITH [INAUDIBLE]. I'M THE ENGINEERING CONSULTANT THAT'S HELPING CHARLIE WITH THE APPLICATION. AND WE DID HAVE CONVERSATIONS WITH DEDRA AND EARL AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DURING THE PLANNING STAGES OF GETTING ALL THIS PUT TOGETHER. THAT WAS BROUGHT UP THAT THERE WAS THE CONCERN BRING YOU ALL 100 ACRES IN AT A TIME OR 97 [00:15:01] ACRES. BUT THERE WASN'T A CONCERN JUST BRINGING IN THE INITIAL 11 ACRES FROM A WALL TYPE FROM A FIRE PROTECTION STANDPOINT. SO THAT WAS THAT IT WAS BROUGHT UP AT THE TIME. BUT AFTER WE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH STAFF THAT WAS THERE WAS ACCOMMODATION THEY COULD ACCOMMODATE IT WITH WITH THIS INITIAL PROJECT. DOES THE FIRE DEPARTMENT NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE THIRD STORY, HAD THEY ADDRESSED THAT? NO, THERE WAS NO CONCERN THAT WAS ADDRESSED OR BROUGHT UP TO US. I MEAN, EVERYTHING WE WOULD BE ABLE TO HANDLE THROUGH THE INTERNATIONAL FIRE CODE AND CITY REQUIREMENTS. AND WE'VE DONE A MULTITUDE OF THESE TYPE OF PROJECTS AND WE REALLY UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. THE FIRE LINE WITH RADII, SPACING, ALL THAT TYPE OF STUFF TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING CAN BE PROTECTED ADEQUATELY. ARE YOU PLANNING? IS THAT IS THE PLAN FOR THREE STORY BUILDINGS? YES, CURRENTLY THREE-STORY BUILDING. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT DID SAY THEY WOULD NEED A LADDER TRUCK, CORRECT, AND THAT WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU GO FROM THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. YOU HAVE TO GO UP TO AT LEAST A 26 FOOT WIDE FIRE LANE AND THERE ARE CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS ON HOW CLOSELY THAT CAN BE SPACED SO THAT YOU CAN GET THAT AERIAL APPARATUS ON THE BUILDINGS. AND SO WELL VERSED IN THAT. OUR SITE PLAN KIND OF REFLECTS THAT IN THE INITIAL CONCEPT PLAN THAT WE'VE PREPARED. SO THROUGH DESIGN AND PERMITTING, WE'LL WORK THROUGH ALL THOSE DETAILS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND CITY STAFF. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YOU'LL BE DOING A TRANSPORTATION STUDY OR NOTHING HAS BEEN REQUIRED, NOTHING'S BEEN REQUIRED AT THIS POINT. OR YOU MAY BE ABLE SPEAK TO THAT. OH, YES, IT'S PREMATURE AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE IT'S JUST AN ANNEXATION TO HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDIES DONE. WE HAVE VISITED WITH MR. BUSH AND HIS TEAM ABOUT [INAUDIBLE] WITH THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC ON THEIR PART THAT MAY HAPPEN [INAUDIBLE] THIS DEVELOPMENT. BUT THERE'S NOTHING CAST IN STONE ABOUT THAT YET, BUT WE'LL HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT THE RISK I'M NOT GOING TO PRETEND TO BE A FIREMAN, BUT I KNOW I'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I THINK YOU MAY RECALL THEY'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ABOUT OBTAINING A NEW LINE OF TRUCK AND THIS OF DEVELOPMENT PROMOTION OF THREE STORY BUILDINGS, AND WHICH REINFORCES THE NEED FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO HAND THAT LADDER ABOUT A [INAUDIBLE]. AND I KNOW THOSE CONVERSATIONS ARE GOING ON WITH THE CITY COUNCIL ON HOW TO BUDGET FOR THAT IN THAT KIND OF STUFF. AND ALSO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFFING ISSUES, WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT'S A COUNCIL ISSUE TO ADDRESS. OK. DOES THE CURRENT. [INAUDIBLE] ALL IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU. THIS IS MASON. DOES THE CURRENT PLAN? EARL MENTIONED THE NEED FOR THE POTENTIAL NEED FOR AN ACCESS LANE INTO THE PROPERTY, AND I'M ASSUMING THAT IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU DO BRING IN MORE ACREAGE OUT OF THE PARENT TRACT, THE MORE YOU BRING IN, THE MORE IMPORTANT IT'S GOING TO BE TO HAVE THAT TURN LANE. SO DOES YOUR CURRENT PLAN FOR THIS 11 ACRES ACCOMMODATE DOES HAVE SPACE FOR THAT LANE, I GUESS, IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO ASK, WHETHER IT'S BUILT AT THE TIME, THIS INITIAL. SO THE INITIAL THE SITE PLAN THAT'S IN THE IN THE PACKET, THE PRIMARY ACCESS FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT, IT'S GOING TO COME OFF A DEER PARK. BUT THERE'S ALSO AN EXTENSION OF THOMPSON THAT'S GOING TO BE REQUIRED IN THE ENGINEERING PERMITTING. AND THERE'LL BE A SECONDARY ACCESS POINT THAT COMES OFF OF THAT AND THAT WOULD ALSO FACILITATE MOBILITY THROUGH BECAUSE AS THIS 97 ACRES DEVELOPS THAT THAT THOMPSON IS GOING TO HAVE TO CONTINUE WEST FOR THE MONTH. IS THOMPSON GOING TO BE A BOUNDARY STREET FOR THIS? SAY IT AGAIN. IS THOMPSON GOING TO BE A BOUNDARY STREET FOR THIS OR IS IT GOING TO RUN THROUGH THE MIDDLE OF IT? EARL, WHAT IS THE CLASSIFICATION? I MEAN, IT'S I THINK IT'S. SO IT'S CURRENTLY, YOU KNOW WHAT'S ON THE EAST SIDE OF DEER PARK. I THINK YOU'VE HAD I THINK YOU HAVE THREE LANES TODAY, YOU'VE GOT TWO LANES IN THE EASTBOUND AND ONE LANE IN THE WESTBOUND, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO BASICALLY BUILD THAT FULL SECTION. I'M SORRY. MY QUESTION WAS JUST IS IT GOING TO RUN ON THE EDGE OF THIS? OH, YES. YEAH, IT'LL RUN ALONG THE SOUTHERN BOUNDARY. SOUTHERN BOUNDARY OF THE MULTI-FAMILY AND IT'LL HAVE A CUL-DE-SAC AT THE END OF IT, AND THAT'LL BE EXTENDED IN THE FUTURE AS THE. OKAY, THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL MY QUESTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JOSH? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. HARLEY, EARL, THANK Y'ALL. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? HEARING NONE. I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER TWO. [00:20:01] I WILL MOVE TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE A2021-01. I SECOND IT. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'VE GOT A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. ITEM THREE. ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER THREE. MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE, I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT. I'VE GOT A SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. I'VE GOT A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? AYE. MOVING ONTO ITEM NUMBER FOR QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, OR CONCERNS? HEARING NONE? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER FOUR. I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THIS ITEM. OK, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I NEED A SECOND. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE. AYE. THOSE OPPOSED? MOTION CARRIES. HEY, WE'RE GOING BACK INTO THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS 5:54. ITEM NUMBER FIVE, DEDRA. WE'RE GOING TO OPEN SYSTEM FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN. IT IS 5:54 DEDRA. [Items 5 - 7] ALL RIGHT. THIS IS HEAR STAFF REPORT AND PUBLIC HEARING THINGS ON VOLUNTARY ANNEXATION PETITION, A2021-02. IT'S A PLANNED AMENDMENT APPLICATION, CP2021-03. AND THIS IS TO PROVIDE FOR THE FOLLOWING DESIGNATIONS COMMUNITY, COMMERCIAL AND COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THEN THE THIRD APPLICATION IS ZC2021-04. AND THIS IS FOR A ZONING DESIGNATION OF SINGLE FAMILY-2 AND RESTRICTED BUSINESS C-1 ON PROPERTY DESCRIBED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE TRACT OF LAND GENERALLY LOCATED SOUTH OF SOUTH MARTIN RANCH PLANNING DEVELOPMENT SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 628.3 FEET EAST OF THE CENTER LINE OF OLD UNION ROAD AND APPROXIMATELY 51.1 FEET WEST OF A SIMILAR LINE OF FM 730. AND THIS IS BEING DESCRIBED BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS ON THE SURVEY LOCATED AT OUR OFFICE AND ALSO ON THE STAFF REPORTS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE PROJECT IS CONSIDERED OR IS GOING TO BE CALLED MEADOW CREEK, THEN 137.02 ACRES OF LAND. EXCUSE ME. WE ARE ADJACENT TO THE CORPORATE LIMITS OF THE CITY OF DECATUR. LAND USE DESIGNATIONS PROPOSED FOR THE TRACT OF LAND, AS I MENTIONED FOR THE CC AND CN. CURRENT LAND USE DESIGNATION, IS AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LIVING. THEY ARE, HOWEVER, A MORE APPROPRIATE LAND DESIGNATION FOR THE PROPERTY. WE BELIEVE OUR CC AND CN, BASED ON THE PROPERTY'S LOCATION. SURROUNDING LAND USE INCLUDE TO THE NORTH, ESTATE LIVING, TO THE SOUTH, AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LIVING TO THE EAST. THE STATE LIVING AGRICULTURAL, RURAL AND TRADITIONAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND INTO THE WEST AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LIVING. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE CURRENT ZONING, THE PROPERTY IS IN THE ETJ, [INAUDIBLE] SURROUNDING ZONING TO THE NORTH IS PLANNED DEVELOPMENT. TO THE SOUTH, EAST, AND WEST THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE ETJ. APPLICANT IS REQUESTING SINGLE FAMILY-2, RESIDENTIAL AND RESTRICTED BUSINESS C-1. ZONING DISTRICT DESIGNATIONS FOR THE PURPOSE OF SINGLE FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL, AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AND THIS PROCESS IS BEING PROCESSED. THIS APPLICATION IS BEING PROCESSED CONCURRENTLY WITH THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION AND THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT APPLICATION. APPROVAL OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AMENDMENT MUST OCCUR BEFORE THE ZONING CHANGE APPLICATION CAN BE APPROVED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN TALKS ABOUT COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS, [00:25:06] THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS SUPPORT A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES, INCLUDING SMALL LOT, SINGLE FAMILY DETACHED, PATIO HOMES, TOWNHOMES AND DUPLEXES IN A COMPLEX NETWORK OF WALKABLE STREETS THAT ARE EASY TO NAVIGATE BY CAR, BICYCLE OR FOOT. PRIMARY LAND USE A SMALL LOT SINGLE FAMILY, DETACHED PATIO HOMES, TOWNHOMES OR DUPLEXES. SECONDARY LAND USES INCLUDE CIVIC AND INSTITUTIONAL USES, PARKS AND OPEN SPACE, AND SMALL AMOUNTS OF NEIGHBORHOOD SERVING, RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL IN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS. CENTRAL TO THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AND WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS CHARACTERIZED BY SMALL, FREESTANDING BUILDINGS CONTAINING ONE OR MORE BUSINESSES. THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL PRIMARILY PROVIDES SERVICES FOR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE CITY. BUSINESS TYPES MAY INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, LOCAL RETAIL, MEDICAL OFFICES, BANKS AND OTHER SMALL RETAIL AND SERVICE USES. COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL AND COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD LANGUAGES ARE CONSISTENT WITH THE PROPOSED SFT SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL AND C-1 RESTRICTED BUSINESS ZONE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE LOCATION MAP OF THE PROPERTY. NEXT SLIDE. AND THIS, AGAIN, IS THE SCHEDULE. [INAUDIBLE] ZONE AND COMP PLAN AMENDMENT. NEXT SLIDE. THERE YOU HAVE [INAUDIBLE] LAND USE MAP. [COUGHING] NEXT SLIDE. OK. THESE ARE THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ZONING MAP. AND WE DID NOTIFY 17 PROPERTY OWNERS THAT ARE WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE PROPERTY. WE HAD. NINE RESPONSES, AND I WILL SAY ONE OF THE RESPONSES. THE PROPERTY OWNER WAS IN FAVOR, BUT IT WAS CONDITIONAL. AND THAT'S DR. LONG, SO WE DECIDED TO SHOW IT AS ACTUALLY OPPOSED BECAUSE THERE IS NO GUARANTEE THAT THE APPLICANTS CAN RESPOND OR CONCEDE TO HIS CONCERNS, AND THEN WE HAD SIX IN FAVOR AND TWO THAT WERE NEUTRAL TO THE REQUEST. WE DID PROVIDE YOU WITH A COPY OF DR. LONG'S LETTER. NEXT SLIDE. SO AND BASICALLY, HIS CONCERNS ARE AS FOLLOWS THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT IS EXTREMELY DENSE, WHICH IT IS. THE LARGE SEWER LIFT STATION, EARL MAY BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS IN TERMS OF THE LOCATION OF THE STATION. DOES THE LIFT STATION, WILL IT [INAUDIBLE] SOUND OR ODORS WHEN IN OPERATION? WHAT IS THE BACKUP PLAN IF THE LIFT STATION FAILS? WOULD ANY ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE GO INTO THE CREEK? THE ADDITION OF 490 DWELLING UNITS WILL CAUSE TRAFFIC ISSUES ON FM 730. EARL MAY NEED TO SPEAK TO THAT AS WELL. HE'S CONCERNED THAT THERE'S NO SHOULDER AND NO LEFT TURN LANES PROPOSED ALONG THE ENTRANCE, EXCEPT THE STREET PARKING TO ACCOMMODATE FAMILIES. THE DELIVERY OF BASIC CITY SERVICES SUCH AS GARBAGE PICKED UP USING MAIL SERVICE AND EMERGENCY POLICE AND FIRE EXITS WILL BE DIFFICULT. ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S A RESIDENTIAL STREET FOR PARKED CARS AND BEFORE THERE IS NO PROPOSED PRIVACY BARRIER BETWEEN THE LONG PROPERTY AND THE DEVELOPMENT TO PROTECT THEIR PRIVACY AND KEEP CHILDREN, PETS, AND HUNTERS FROM CROSSING INTO PRIVATE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY. AND I WILL TELL YOU, AS FAR AS BUFFERING GOES, OUR AUDIENCE IS BASED ON SURROUNDING ZONING AND BECAUSE THE SURROUNDING PROPERTY IS IN THE ETJ, YOU REALLY CAN'T ENFORCE A BUFFER REQUIREMENT. NOW THE APPLICANTS MAY OPT TO PUT IN A BUFFER JUST TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S NOT REALLY SOMETHING THE CITY CAN INSIST UPON AT THIS TIME. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS IS JUST THE LETTER THAT DR. PROVIDED, WHICH WAS JUST PREVIOUSLY SUMMARIZED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF A2021-02 SERVICE ANALYSIS, AND THE SERVICE [00:30:07] PLAN. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CP2021-03. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF ZC2021-04. ALL OF THESE APPLICATIONS ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE [INAUDIBLE] OF THIS MIDDLE CREEK PROPERTY. THANK YOU, DEDRA. YOU'RE WELCOME. A PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. IT IS 6:03. THE APPLICANT DOES WANT TO HAVE A PRESENTATION TO SHOW YOU ALSO. RIGHT. COME ON UP. HOW ABOUT THAT? ALL RIGHT. DID YOU ALL HEAR ME? [INAUDIBLE] I'LL RE-DO THAT AGAIN. SO I WANTED TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF CONCERNS FROM DR. LONG. WE JUST RECEIVED THOSE THIS AFTERNOON JUST TO ADDRESS THOSE DIRECTLY. YOU KNOW, THE SANITARY LIFT STATION, THERE'S ALREADY AN EXISTING LIFT STATION THAT SERVES AS THE SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH TO THE NORTH OF US. WE'RE ESSENTIALLY MOVING THAT TO THE SOUTHWEST TO ACCOMMODATE OUR SUBDIVISION. THOSE ARE VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CITY. CITY STAFF IS VERY GOOD AT MAINTAINING THOSE AND MANAGING THOSE SANITARY SEWER LIFT STATIONS, SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. AND THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY VERY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE CITY, JUST WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY THAT GOES UP AND DOWN. SO I WANT TO ADDRESS THAT DIRECTLY. THE CITY STREETS, AS FAR AS POCKET PARKING IS CONCERNED. THESE ARE DESIGNED TO CITY STANDARDS. [INAUDIBLE] BE, YOU KNOW, STANDARD CITY STREETS, 31-FOOT BACK A CURB [INAUDIBLE]. AS FAR AS DENSITY IS CONCERNED, THIS IS WHAT THE MARKETPLACE WANTS. WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO. WE'VE GOT A LOT OF FOLKS INTERESTED IN THIS FROM A BUILDER PERSPECTIVE, AND THIS WILL BE SOME ENTRY LEVEL HOMES, WHICH IS WHAT THE CITY OF DECATUR REALLY NEEDS. SO KIND OF ADDRESS THAT. HERE'S OUR SITE HERE ON SLIDE ONE. IT'S JUST SOUTH OF SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH IT'S PHASE FOUR, WHICH WILL BE EXTENDING SERVICES FROM THERE TO ACCOMMODATE THE SUBDIVISION. CAN YOU GO THE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. HERE'S AN OVERVIEW. THE CREEK ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, ARE THE WEST SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. A LOT OF TREES ALONG THE CREEK, OF COURSE, AND JUST A FEW TREES THERE ALONG THE CENTRAL PART WHERE THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE DRAINAGE AND OPEN SPACE THROUGH THERE. NEXT SLIDE AS WELL. ALL RIGHT. SO WE'VE GOT A COMMERCIAL COMPONENT ALONG HIGHWAY 730. WE'LL HAVE ABOUT EIGHT ACRES OF COMMERCIAL THERE ALONG HIGHWAY 730 TO ACCOMMODATE THAT. WE'LL HAVE MASTER OF THOROUGHFARE ROAD. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. OK, SO THE MAIN ENTRY ROAD THAT GOES TO THERE IS OUR MASTER. IT COMPLIES WITH THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN. IT'S A COLLECTOR ROAD. IT'S A THREE LANE UNDIVIDED ROAD FOR THE MASTER PLAN. WE'LL HAVE 20 FEET OF GREEN SPACE ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT ROAD. SO FROM A BACKUP LOT, TOBACCO LOT WE'RE BE ABOUT 96 FEET TOTAL AS YOU KIND OF COME INTO THAT MAIN ENTRANCE. SO IT'LL BE REALLY NICE BOULEVARD SECTION AS YOU GO THROUGH THERE, GIVE IT A NICE, OPEN FEEL. WE'LL HAVE MASONRY SCREENING WALL ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT THOROUGHFARE ON THE BACK OF THOSE LOTS TO KIND OF SHIELD THE, YOU KNOW, TRAFFIC FROM THOSE HOMES THAT'LL BACK UP TO THAT MAJOR MAJOR ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE. WE'VE INCORPORATED A LOT OF OPEN SPACE INTO OUR PLAN THROUGHOUT THE SUBDIVISION. WE'VE GOT 17 AND A HALF PERCENT OF OUR TOTAL SITE IS OPEN SPACE. WE'VE PULLED BACK OFF OF THE CREEK SIDE WITH OUR OPEN SPACE. WE'RE GOING TO PUT A HIKE AND BIKE TRAIL THROUGH THERE. LOTS OF NICE OPEN SPACE FROM THOSE LOTS. THOSE WILL ALL BE PREMIUM LOTS BACKING UP TO THE CREEK THERE THAT HAVE HIKING BACK TRAILS ALONG THE BACK OF THEM. THE MIDDLE SECTION THERE, THE MIDDLE GREEN SPACE THERE WITH THE PONDS. WE'LL HAVE HIKING BIKE TRAIL THERE AS WELL AND OF COURSE, SIDEWALKS ON THE HOME SITE. THE HOME SIDE OF THAT AS WELL. PART OF THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE DRAINAGE THAT COMES OFF SITE THROUGH OUR PROPERTY AND OTHERWISE IT'D BE A NICE AMENITY THERE. THERE ALONG THE FRONT MAIN ENTRY, WE HAVE AN AMENITY CENTER, A TWO ACRE AMENITY [00:35:01] CENTER. OUR AMENITY CENTER WILL HAVE RESTROOMS, A POOL, SHADE, STRUCTURES, PLAYGROUNDS, PICNIC TABLES FOR SEATING. REALLY BE ABLE FOR THE NEIGHBORS THERE TO COME AND HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES THERE HAVE FAMILY GATHERING THERE, YOU KNOW, COME RELAX BY THE POOL THERE AFTER A HARD DAY AT WORK. REALLY PRETTY. IT'S VERY ELEVATED THAT SITE RIGHT THERE. WE LOOKED IT UP. I THINK IT'S ONE OF THE TOP 10 HIGHEST POINTS IN WISE COUNTY, SO WE REALLY WANT TO KIND OF MAKE THAT AN AMENITY SO YOU CAN COME AND REALLY GET A NICE VIEW OF THE WHOLE FORT WORTH BASIN AS YOU LOOK THERE. I LIKE TO JOKE WITH FOLKS WHEN WE GO TAKE THEM OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN SEE AUSTIN FROM UP THERE. IT'S SO HIGH UP THERE. SO IT'S PRETTY NICE. SO THAT'LL BE OUR AMENITY CENTER. IT'LL BE TWO ACRES, LIKE I SAID, UPGRADED AMENITY CENTER. WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THE PROJECT. I'LL STAND BY FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. JODIE, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. THAT'S IT. WE'LL REMAIN AVAILABLE FOR ANY QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON ANY OF THESE AGENDA ITEMS? YOU COME RIGHT ON UP, PLEASE. I'M RUTH-ANNE LONG. THE. MIC] MS. LONG, IF YOU WOULD TALK TO US. THAT'S OK. SHE NEEDS TO SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE, WE CAN'T HEAR HER. CECIL CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. WE CAN'T HEAR A WORD SHE'S SAYING. IS THE BUTTON? ARE YOU PUSHING THE BUTTON? . TURN IT ON. IT'S FLASHING GREEN. IT'S FLASHING GREEN AND RED, IS A BATTERY DYING? I CAN HEAR YOU NOW. OK, HOLD IT UP. JUST HOLD IT CLOSE TO YOU. THERE YOU GO. CAN YOU HEAR NOW? NO. AND BYE. MS. LONG, WE CAN HEAR YOU FINE, THAT MICROPHONE IS FOR EVERYBODY. I GOT YOU. OH, OKAY. OKAY. NO. YEAH, I'VE READ THAT A LIFT STATIONS DO SOMETIMES FAIL. THEY HAVE A POWER FAILURE. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE DECATUR. OH, DOUBLE, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF THE DECATUR LIFT STATIONS FAILED DURING THE POWER OUTAGES THAT WE HAD DURING THE ICE STORM. I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF YOU HAVE 1700 PEOPLE AND FEEDING SEWAGE INTO THIS LIFT STATION AND IT FAILS IN A POWER FAILURE OR MECHANICAL FAILURE, THAT SEWAGE IS GOING INTO THE CREEK, I'M ASSUMING UNLESS SOME OF THESE PONDS ARE GOING TO RECEIVE THE SEWAGE. AND I DOUBT THAT ANYWAY, THEY LIFT STATIONS CAN AND DO FAIL AT TIMES, AND IT WOULD BE NICE IF THERE WAS A CATCH POND OR SOMETHING OFF THE CREEK BECAUSE DOWN [INAUDIBLE] FROM US ON DOWN THE CREEK, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF RESIDENCES WITH PRIVATE WATER WELLS, AND I HAVEN'T MEASURED YET HOW FAR OUR WATER WELL IS FROM THE CREEK, BUT IT'S NOT TERRIBLY FAR AND. THAT IS A BIT OF A CONCERN FOR ME, I HOPE IT NEVER FAILS, I HOPE IT'S VERY NICE NEIGHBORHOOD. AND THE OTHER CONCERN WE HAD REALLY IS THE PRIVACY. SOME SORT OF PRIVACY FENCE AT THEIR SOUTHERN EDGE AND OUR NORTHERN FENCE. THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH ACCESS. AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A BARBED WIRE FENCE THERE. IT KEEPS THE CATTLE OUT MOST OF THE TIME, BUT THAT'S NOT MUCH TO ME IF I WAS BUYING A LOT ALONG THAT SOUTHERN EDGE. I WOULDN'T WANT JUST A BARBED WIRE FENCE IN THE BACK, SO I HOPE WE CAN DISCUSS THAT WITH THE BUILDER. OTHERWISE, YOU KNOW, WE KNEW OUR LAND WAS IN THE ETJ WHEN WE BOUGHT IT AND WE [00:40:02] COULD SEE DECATUR MOVING THAT WAY. WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO THE CONCEPT OF IT. IT SOUNDS LIKE A PRETTY NICE, WELL THOUGHT OUT NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT THE DENSITY, I GUESS, AND I'M GUESSING DUPLEXES ARE NOT CONSIDERED MULTIFAMILY. THEY'RE JUST COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD. THAT'S TO ME, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A MULTI-FAMILY ITEM, BUT I GUESS A DUPLEX IS CONCENTRATED AS THERE WILL BE IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THAT'S ABOUT ALL I HAVE. I WAS A LITTLE SURPRISED AT THE SHORT NOTICE OVER THE HOLIDAYS HERE. I DON'T THINK WE GOT NOTICE OF THIS MORE THAN A HANDFUL OF WORKING DAYS BEFORE THIS MEETING, SO IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE NOTICE AND THAT'S ABOUT IT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONCERNS AND YOUR CONCERNS [INAUDIBLE] . CAN YOU HEAR ME, DEDRA? THIS IS CHRIS [INAUDIBLE]. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE ZONING COMMISSION CONCERNING THIS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE RESIDENTS OF BROOK HOLLOW. MY CONCERN, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE CITY EXPAND. I THINK THAT'S GREAT. WE NEED MORE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENTS. BUT IF YOU'LL RECALL, WE'VE HAD OTHER ISSUES IN THE PAST ABOUT THE ONE LANE BRIDGE ENTRANCE INTO BROOK HOLLOW AND THE CITY DID SOME TRAVEL, SOME TRAFFIC STUDIES THAT SHOWED THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE THAT CAME INTO THE MARTINS BRANCH SUBDIVISION USE THAT ENTRANCE OFF OF BROOK HOLLOW. THAT'S ONE LANE NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR TWO CARS TO PASS INSTEAD OF THE OTHER ENTRANCE THAT WAS PUT IN WHEN MARTINS BRANCH WAS BROUGHT IN. SO MY CONCERN IS FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THE ROADS IN THIS NEW PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT WILL CONNECT UP TO THOSE OF BRICK HOLLOW AND MARTIN'S BRANCH THAT YOU'RE ADDING POTENTIALLY 2000 MORE CARS TO USE THIS SAME AREA. THAT, AGAIN, IS ONLY DESIGNED FOR ONE CAR AT A TIME AND IS CURRENTLY IN A VERY BAD STATE OF REPAIR BECAUSE OF THE WATER DAMAGE THAT IT GETS BECAUSE WHEN THE DRAINAGE COMES OFF THE [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY, THE WATER RUSHES ACROSS THAT ROAD. AND IF YOU'LL GO OUT THERE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE NOT ONLY IS IT VERY NARROW, BUT IT'S FALLING APART PRETTY FAST. SO I SHARED THOSE CONCERNS WITH DEDRA AND WITH EARL AND WITH MR. HALL. THEY SAID THAT I THINK WHEN THEY LOOKED INTO THE COST OF DOING THAT A FEW YEARS AGO, IT WAS GOING TO BE $70000. EARL THINKS THAT MIGHT BE MORE $100000 NOW. WHATEVER IT IS, I WOULD URGE THE COMMISSION AND THE CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE FUNDING FOR ADDRESSING THAT AND MAKING THAT A TWO LANE BRIDGE FOR SAFETY PURPOSES AND FOR THE INTENSE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO BE ADDED TO IT FROM THE STANDPOINT OF THIS BEING A NEW ADDITION TO THE CITY. THEN MY OTHER CONCERN IS ALSO TRAFFIC RELATED. I THINK UNLIKE THE INTEREST TO MARTIN'S BRANCH, UNLESS I MISREAD THE MAP, IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT THAT ENTRANCE INTO THIS SUBDIVISION PROVIDES FOR A TURN LANE. AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IF YOU DRIVE OUT THERE ON 730 IN THAT AREA, IT'S A VERY HILLY AREA AND PEOPLE ARE GOING VERY FAST, FASTER THAN THEY SHOULD, I'LL PROMISE YOU. DESPITE THE FACT THAT WE'VE HAD SOME IMPROVEMENT IN THE SPEED LIMIT OUT THERE. AND SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT THAT WE MAKE THAT KIND OF A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE A SIMILAR TURN LANE PROVISION OFF OF 730. AND AGAIN, THIS MAY BE SOMETHING THAT TEXASDOT HAS MORE CONTROL OVER YOU GUYS THAN YOU GUYS DO. BUT TO ME, I DON'T KNOW ANY REASON WHY THEY SHOULD BE HAVING A DIFFERENT TYPE OF ENTRANCE INTO THE SUBDIVISION. IT'S GOING TO BE THIS DENSELY POPULATED, AS THEY DO FOR MARTIN'S BRANCH. THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS. WE'RE HAPPY TO HAVE AN ADDITION TO THE CITY AS LONG AS WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK? GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK. I'M DANNY CROSS. EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED IF I'M HEARING THIS RIGHT TONIGHT. WOULD THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT HAVE ACCESS TO SOUTH MARTIN RANCH OWNER IN THE BROOK HOLLOW IS I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT RIGHT? I'LL ADDRESS THAT QUESTION. OKAY. OK, THAT WOULD BE MY CONCERN. SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH ALMOST BUILT OUT. WE'LL BE SHORTLY. AND TRAFFIC RIGHT NOW IS NOT THAT BAD. MRS. CROSS AND I'VE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN SOUTH OF SOUTH MARTIN [00:45:05] BRANCH BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN TOLD THAT THERE WERE ARTERIES GOING INTO THE NEW DEVELOPMENT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT AS I'M UNDERSTANDING AND SEEING THIS TODAY. I DON'T SEE THAT. I DON'T SEE ACCESS IF THAT'S BUT THAT'S THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS AND OUR CONCERNS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. JODIE? OH, I'M SORRY. HOLD ON, JUST COME ON UP, JODIE, IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THAT. OK, THANK YOU. I'LL ADDRESS SEVERAL OF THE ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BY MS. LONG AND OUR OTHER NEIGHBORS. I'LL GO IN REVERSE ORDER. SO FIRST OF ALL, WE DO HAVE A SUB OUT STREET TO THE NORTH TO THE FUTURE POTENTIAL SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH. IT'S UNDER OUR UNDERSTANDING THAT THE PLANS FOR THAT ARE ON HOLD NOW DUE TO OIL AND GAS CONCERNS. ESSENTIALLY, WE'VE PROVIDED THAT STUB OUT FOR FUTURE SAFETY. THAT'S NOT A HILL TO DIE ON. SO IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF SAID, HEY, LET'S ELIMINATE THAT NORTHERN CONNECTION, WE'D BE OK WITH DOING THAT. IT DOESN'T CONNECT ANY ROADS RIGHT NOW THAT CONNECT THROUGH TO SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH, SO I DON'T ANTICIPATE TRAFFIC GOING THROUGH THERE IN THE NEAR FUTURE. BUT THERE AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S NOT A HILL WE'RE WILLING TO DIE ON. AS FAR AS THE TURN LANES ARE CONCERNED, WE FOUGHT WELL, ANTICIPATE THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A RIGHT TURN LANE GOING INTO THE SUBDIVISION, AS WELL AS A LEFT TURN LANE GOING OFF OF HIGHWAY 730 INTO THE SUBDIVISION AS WELL. WE'RE GOING TO WORK WITH TXDOT THEY'RE IN CHARGE OF HIGHWAY 730. WE ARE NOT CERTAIN OF THIS, BUT WE ANTICIPATE THEY'LL PROBABLY REQUIRE A STOPLIGHT THERE AS WELL TO HELP TRAFFIC AND SAFETY CONCERNS. BUT THAT'S NOT SHOWN HERE IN OUR PLAN BECAUSE THAT'S A TXDOT ISSUE, NOT A ZONING ISSUE, BUT JUST FOR YOUR CONCERNS WE'RE CERTAINLY GOING TO PUT A RIGHT HAND TURN LANE DECELERATION LANE INTO THE SUBDIVISION, AS WELL AS A LEFT HAND TURN LANE AS WELL. TO ADDRESS MS. LONG'S CONCERNS ALONG THE SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE WILL REQUIRE THE BUILDERS OF THOSE LOTS TO PUT AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD FENCE WITH METAL POSTS AND CONCRETE SET AND CONCRETE, SO IT WON'T BE A BARBED WIRE FENCE THERE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THOSE HOUSES. THERE'LL BE AN EIGHT FOOT WOOD PRIVACY FENCE TO KEEP KIDS FROM GOING TO THEIR PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, CROSSING THE BARBED WIRE FENCE. WE DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT REMAINING BARBED WIRE ON OUR SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, SO WANTED TO DEFINITELY ADDRESS THAT FROM THE CONCERNS ABOUT A LIFT STATION. YOU KNOW, OUR HANDS ARE TIED IN THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE A LIFT STATION THERE IN ORDER TO SERVICE THE SUBDIVISION. THERE'S A LIFT STATION ON MARTIN BRANCH RIGHT NOW. IT HASN'T FAILED IN THE TIME THAT MARTIN BRANCH HAS BEEN THERE. SO YOU KNOW, THE CITY AND AND TECHNOLOGY AND ENGINEERING GETS BETTER AND BETTER OVER TIME AS FAR AS LIMITATIONS ARE CONCERNED. SO WE DON'T ANTICIPATE ANYTHING WITH THAT. WE'LL CERTAINLY SIZE THE TANKS THAT ARE UNDERGROUND, THAT HOLD THAT AND THE CYCLE TIMES, AND PERHAPS EARL CAN ADDRESS THAT AS WELL. WE HAD A DISCUSSION. [INAUDIBLE] HAD A DISCUSSION WITH HIM EARLIER THIS WEEK ABOUT THAT, BUT THAT WOULD BE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER THERE IN THAT ESSENTIALLY THAT GREEN SPACE OPEN SPACE THERE ON THE SOUTHWEST SIDE. YEAH, WE'RE CHERYL'S GOT US RIGHT THERE. THAT'S WHERE WE ANTICIPATE SOMEWHERE ALONG THAT GREEN SPACE THERE BETWEEN THE THE THOROUGHFARE ROAD AND OUR SOUTHERN PROPERTY LINE. AND THAT'LL BE SOMETHING WE WORK HAND IN HAND WITH OUR OUR ENGINEER AND CITY STAFF TO MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PUT IN THE BEST, SAFEST POSSIBLE PLACE. SO JUST TO ADDRESS THEM SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS. HOPEFULLY, THAT WAS ALL THE ISSUES THAT WERE BROUGHT UP. IF THERE'S ANYTHING ELSE, I'LL RESERVE MY TIME TO ADDRESS THOSE GOING FORWARD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I'M SORRY, MA'AM, YOU WANTED TO COME UP AND SPEAK. PLEASE. YES, MA'AM. YES. MY NAME'S DONNA LAWSON, AND I LIVE RIGHT NEXT TO RICK MCCAULEY'S LAND. I WAS BORN THERE 71 YEARS AGO. I THINK REALLY MY OPINION IS WE'RE BUILDING. CAN I INTERRUPT? CAN YOU HOLD YOUR MICROPHONE UP CLOSE? THANK YOU? IN MY OPINION, WE'RE BUILDING TOO FAST. THE CITY STREETS AND ALL THIS. YOU CAN'T GO DOWN CITY STREET WITHOUT HITTING A CHOKEHOLD. AND WE'RE GETTING MORE AND MORE BUILDINGS. I JUST DON'T THINK THE CITY LIMITS SHOULD GO OUT THAT FAR. IF YOU LOOK IN DRIVE OUT THERE. WE'RE TURNING INTO THE METROPLEX. I KNOW SOONER OR LATER IT PROBABLY WILL. I HOPE I DON'T SEE IT IN MY LIFETIME. I WORRY ABOUT THE GAS WELLS THAT ARE ON THAT PROPERTY. [00:50:03] THAT WAS MY GRANDFATHER'S PROPERTY. I HAVE A FEELING FOR IT. THERE'S A HILL ON TOP OF THERE WHERE I WAS BORN. AND YOU CAN SEE EVER COUNTY FROM THAT HILL. AND THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE IT AND THEY'RE GOING TO BULLDOZE IT DOWN. WORST, SOMEBODY SHOULD DO SOMETHING WITH IT. IT'S KIND OF LIKE A HISTORICAL THING. NOT ONLY THAT. A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE LIVE OUT THERE. WE RESPECT OUR PRIVACY. AND I WE HAVE BUILT SO MUCH IN THE PAST FIVE YEARS. AND WE'RE BRINGING MORE AND MORE PEOPLE FROM CALIFORNIA IN THE METROPLEX. AND SOON IT WON'T BE DECATUR. IT'LL BE A MENTAL PLACE. AND I CAN'T STOP IT. I KNOW I CAN'T. BUT I WISH WE COULD WAIT JUST A COUPLE MORE YEARS. YOU KNOW, THEY SAY THEY'RE GOING TO DO THIS AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO THAT. HOW MANY YEARS IT'S GOING TO TAKE TO DO ALL THIS? OH, I GET ODOR. I LIVE ABOUT FIVE OR SIX MILES FROM THE CITY SEWER. AND I GET ODOR IN THE SUMMER. IF THEY PUT ANOTHER LIFT STATION IN, I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WILL BE. OF COURSE, [INAUDIBLE] TECHNOLOGY HAS COME A LONG WAY WITH THE SEWER AND WATER. ALSO, WITH ALL THIS GROWING. WELL, OUR TAXES GO UP AND UP. AND. I JUST DON'T SEE ANY IMPROVEMENT IN OUR CITY STREETS AND STUFF AND ALL THIS BUILDING. THE TRAFFIC ON 730 RIGHT NOW IS VERY, VERY BAD. AND IF THEY FEEL THAT IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE AND THEN HOW LONG IS IT GOING TO TAKE THE COUNTY OR THE TEXAS DEPARTMENT TO BE ON FOUR LANE? THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. AND I GUESS WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS. THIS IS ALL SENTIMENTAL. IT'S IN THE MIDDLE. DECATUR IS SENTIMENTAL TO ME, AND I WOULD LIKE TO KEEP IT KIND OF LOW DOWN AND NOT BRING ALL THESE PEOPLE IN. AND I KNOW I'M JUST A POOR WIDOW WOMAN AND I DON'T HAVE MUCH SAY. BUT WE'RE BUILDING NEW SCHOOLS AND WE'RE DOING THIS AND WE'RE DOING THAT. LET'S STOP HERE AND FINISH THIS BEFORE WE GO FURTHER OUT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS IN THE AUDIENCE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDAS? IF NONE? WELL, THEN I'LL GO AHEAD AND MOVE TO OPEN. I'M SORRY, CLOSE, THE PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS 6:26. COMMISSIONERS. ON. ITEM NUMBER. [INAUDIBLE] ON ITEM FIVE, SIX, OR SEVEN? ON ITEM, FIVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? I HAVE LOTS OF QUESTIONS, SO I'LL JUST START OFF. EARL, CAN YOU HEAR ME? OK, SO THIS LIFT STATION IS GOING TO BE SIZED TO ACCOMMODATE THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE OTHER LIFT STATIONS SERVED. IS THAT CORRECT? SO IT'LL BE A LARGER LIFT STATION THAN THE ONE THAT IS CURRENTLY IN PLACE. THAT'S CORRECT. OK. AS FAR AS TRAFFIC STUDIES, I ASKED A QUESTION ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY ON THE PREVIOUS ANNEXATION REQUEST. AND YOU HAD SEEMED TO ANSWER IT IN A WAY THAT MAYBE THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS, IS IT REQUIRED OR IS IT UP TO THE DISCRETION OF CITY STAFF? IT IS ALL LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF CITY STAFF. [00:55:05] WILL IT BE REQUIRED IN THIS PLATE IN THIS CASE, SINCE IT IS A TXDOT ACCESS? YES, AND I WOULD ALSO POINT OUT THAT THE SIZE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THESE TWO DEVELOPMENTS IS PRETTY, PRETTY, PRETTY LARGE. OK. THIS IS A 480 BLOCK SINGLE FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ALONG WITH COMMERCIAL PROPERTY ALONG WITH [INAUDIBLE] THE OTHER. THE OTHER PROJECT WOULD ONLY BE LIKE 280, I FORGET JUST EXACTLY HOW MANY WERE IN THE OTHER ANNEXATION. BUT IT'S NOT NEARLY THE SIZE THAT THIS PROJECT IS. RIGHT. WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH JEREMY AND TAMARA ABOUT THIS PROJECT. IT IS A TXDOT [INAUDIBLE] AND WE WILL GOVERN ON WHAT HAPPENS WITH TURN LANES ON AT 730. AND TXDOT IS VERY REGIMENTAL ABOUT BEING ABLE TO JUSTIFY. THEY HAVE TO JUSTIFY PERMANENT IMPROVEMENTS LIKE THAT, OK? AND THE WAY THEY DO THAT IS WITH TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS OR TRAFFIC STUDIES. OK. SO JEREMY, [INAUDIBLE], I THINK HE'S PROBABLY HAD PRELIMINARY DISCUSSIONS WITH TXDOT THOUGHT THAT THEY KNOW ABOUT THE PROJECT. WE'VE TALKED TO THEM ABOUT IT. TIA WILL BE EXPECTED TO BE ACCOMPLISHED AND WITH SOME CERTAINTY. I BELIEVE IT'S GOING TO POINT OUT THAT TIMELINE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REQUIRED. SO AS FAR AS THAT TRAFFIC STUDY, IT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE NUMBER OF HOMES THAT ARE PROPOSED IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, AS WELL AS THE COMMERCIAL SPACE. IT WILL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT VISIBILITY AS FAR AS SOUTHBOUND AND NORTHBOUND TRAFFIC AND THE CURRENT SPEED LIMIT AND POSSIBLY CHANGING THAT TO MAKE IT SAFER. IS THAT CORRECT? THAT'S CORRECT. OK. IT'LL TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL OF THAT, BUT ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT POSSIBLE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH FROM SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH INTO THIS AND OUT OF THIS SUBDIVISION IF THAT SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH WERE TO BE EXPANDED. YES. OK. ALL RIGHT. SO WHAT WE DO WHEN WE SO WE'LL HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THE DEVELOPER AND WE'LL TALK IN TERMS OF HOW FAR AWAY FROM THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT IMPACT, OTHER INTERSECTIONS ALSO, OK, SO. RIGHT. SO IT COULD BE [INAUDIBLE] SITE WHERE THERE IS A FAR BETTER SECTION [INAUDIBLE] INTERSECTS HIGHWAY ONE THERE. [INAUDIBLE] WE KNOW THAT THERE'S PROBABLY KIND OF OBVIOUS THAT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE IMPROVEMENTS REQUIRED AT THAT PARTICULAR INTERSECTION. BUT IF THAT WERE ANOTHER CITY STREET OR SOMETHING, YOU COULD IMAGINE THAT A TRAFFIC STUDY MIGHT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD IMPACT ANOTHER INTERSECTION CLOSE BOUND THAT COULD MORE OTHER TURN LANES OR EVEN TRAFFIC SIGNALS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THE [INAUDIBLE] WHEN IT'S PERFORMED WILL MOVE AWAY FROM THE PROJECT SITE SPECIFICALLY, AND SO WE'LL CONSIDER THE ENTRANCE THAT GOES INTO BRICK HOLLOW AND THE IMPACT THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT COULD HAVE ON THAT. AND LIKE [INAUDIBLE] OTHERS HAVE POINTED OUT. AT THIS POINT IN TIME, THERE'S ONLY A [INAUDIBLE] THIS DEVELOPMENT INTO THE OTHER PART OF SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH, BUT [INAUDIBLE]. HOPEFULLY THE SOUTH PART OF THE [INAUDIBLE] OF THE SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH WILL DEVELOP. BUT WE'LL HAVE THIS STREET CONNECTION AND THAT WILL BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR TRAFFIC TO HAVE A DIFFERENT WAY IN THIS SUBDIVISION SO [INAUDIBLE] AND THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL CONSIDER THAT. OK. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR SAYING THAT. I THINK MY OTHER QUESTIONS ARE FOR DEDRA. THIS IS A PD, CORRECT? NO, IT'S NOT. NO, IT'S NOT A PD. IT'S NOT REQUIRED TO BE A PD? NO, IT'S NOT REQUIRED. [01:00:01] OK. AS FAR AS DENSITY, HOW DOES THE DENSITY OF THIS SUBDIVISION COMPARE TO? I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE OVERALL NUMBER OF LOTS, BUT THE DENSITY ITSELF. HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH? THESE LOTS SMALLER ARE ARE THE SAME SIZE OR. I THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A SIMILAR MIX OF LOT SIZES. I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE THE SAME SIZE BECAUSE EVEN THE LOTS IN SOUTH MARTIN BRANCH ARE DIFFERENT. DIFFERENT SIZES. BUT I HAVE A SIMILAR MIXTURE. OK. LET'S SEE. THE QUESTION CAME UP ABOUT DUPLEXES. THEY'RE NOT DUPLEXES LOTS, RIGHT? THEY'RE JUST THEY'RE STANDALONE HOMES. THAT IS CORRECT. THEY'RE NOT PROPOSING DUPLEX. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. AND THEN. EARL, BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT SEPARATION OF GAS WELLS AND ADJACENT WATER WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. I KNOW WHEN I BUILD A HOUSE, I'M THE WATER WELL HAS TO BE 50-FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. WHEN YOU WHEN WE LOOK AT DEVELOPING A SUBDIVISION, DO YOU LOOK AT ADJACENT PROPERTY AND LOCATIONS OF GAS WELLS AND WATER WELLS AND THINGS AND LATERAL LINES, THINGS OF THAT NATURE TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S APPROPRIATE SEPARATION THAT WE'RE NOT VIOLATING ANY STATE STATUTE OR CODES OR ANYTHING? YES, WE LOOK AT A LOT OF STUFF. OK, SO WITH THE LIFT STATION THESE ARE PUBLIC [INAUDIBLE] STORES AND THE LIFT STATION WILL BE [INAUDIBLE] STATION WHEN IT'S DONE. OK. IT'S NOT [INAUDIBLE] A CLOSED SYSTEM, AND IT'S NOT LIKE THE LIFT STATIONS REACHING THE WASTEWATER OFF INTO THE GROUND FOR IT TO MAKE ITS WAY TO WHEREVER IT GOES AND EVENTUALLY INTO AQUIFERS, UNDERGROUND AQUIFERS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. ALL OF THIS WASTEWATER IS COLLECTED [INAUDIBLE] AND THEN PUMPED BACK TO FOR TREATMENT AT THE CITY'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT [INAUDIBLE] ROAD. SO. SO AS FAR AS CROSS CONTAMINATION THAT CAN'T OCCUR BECAUSE IT'S A CLOSED SYSTEM, IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YES, UNLESS THERE WAS A DRASTIC FAILURE OF SOME SORT AND THEN REQUIRED TO ATTENUATE THOSE ANY KIND OF SPILLS THAT COULD OCCUR AND ALSO REPORT THOSE TO [INAUDIBLE]. AND WILL TO RESPOND TO YOUR QUESTION WITH REGARDS TO THE GAS LINES. THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID NOTICE. THERE'S QUITE A FEW GAS LINES RUNNING THROUGH THE THIS PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE SHOWING LOTS SITTING ON TOP OF. AND SO WE HAVE INDICATED THAT THEY WILL NEED TO GET SOME DOCUMENTATION FROM THE GAS WELL OPERATORS. INDICATING THAT THEY'RE OKAY WITH WHAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THAT THEY ARE RESOLVING ANY ISSUES WITH REGARDS TO THEIR LINES AND ENCROACHMENTS. I KNOW WE HAVE A KIND OF A RADIUS AROUND GAS WELLS THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO PUT HOUSES WITHIN THAT RADIUS, CORRECT? SO NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. DO WE HAVE IT CORRECT? NO, WE HAVE A SEPARATION REQUIREMENT WHEN A GAS WELL IS COMING INTO WHERE THERE'S HOMES BEING DEVELOPED OR SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. THE OPPOSITE IS NOT NECESSARILY CORRECT. THERE IS NO SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY STANDPOINT, FROM THEIR ORDINANCES FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT'S LOCATED NEAR A GAS WELL. OK. BECAUSE THAT GAS SMELL IS ALREADY THERE. RIGHT, BUT THE SAFETY CONSIDERATIONS ARE STILL THE SAME, RIGHT? BUT TO A CERTAIN EXTENT, WHAT WE HAVE SAID IN TALKING TO THE FIRE MARSHAL AND TO THE STATE, THE RAILROAD COMMISSION WOULD GOVERN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THOSE SEPARATION REQUIREMENTS ARE. BUT AS FAR AS THE CITY'S OIL AND GAS ORDINANCE, IT DOES NOT SPEAK TO WHEN A GAS WELL [01:05:02] IS EXISTING. OK, MY ONLY OTHER QUESTION IS FOR JODIE, AND IT'S WOULD THERE BE A HOA. OK. PLEASE COME ON UP, JODIE. BUT THAT'S WHERE WE GOT OUR INFORMATION FOR THE RIGHT [INAUDIBLE] LANE, FOR THE LEFT TURN LANE AND FOR THE POTENTIAL FOR A SIGNAL LIGHT SIGNAL THERE ON HIGHWAY 730. SO WE HAVE DONE THAT. WE WILL SUBMIT THAT AND SEND THAT TO EARL POSTHASTE, EARL. SO YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT FROM THE GAS WELL CONCERNS WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THREE OF THE GAS WELL OWNERS. ONE OF THE GAS WELLS HAS BEEN LONG BEEN PLUGGED. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE BUYING THAT OUT AND REMOVING THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S THERE. SO WE'LL BE REMOVING THREE OF THE TOTAL GAS WELLS THAT ARE OUT THERE. WE'RE BUYING OUT THREE OF THEM, THE ONLY TWO GAS WELLS THAT WILL REMAIN ON THE PROPERTY ARE ON THE TOP OPEN SPACE AREA. AND YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE WE'VE GOT RED KIND OF DOTTED CIRCLES ON THOSE. WE'VE ALREADY ANTICIPATED SETBACKS FROM THOSE EXISTING GAS WELLS, AND THAT CIRCLE IS THE RADIUS THAT'S, YOU KNOW, REQUIRED BY THE RAILROAD COMMISSION. SO THOSE ARE THE GAS WELLS THAT REMAIN ACTIVE ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE SETTING BACK FROM THOSE. THERE'LL BE NO HOUSES WITHIN THAT. THE CIRCLE THERE, THAT RADIUS PER THE THE RAILROAD COMMISSION RULES. NOW, ONE OF THE REASONS THAT THE MAIN COLLECTOR THOROUGHFARE ROAD GOING THROUGH THERE IS SO WIDE PART OF THAT 20-FOOT SECTION ON EITHER SIDE OF THAT IS TO ACCOMMODATE THE GAS TRANSMISSION LINES THAT GO ACROSS OUR PROPERTY. WE'VE ALREADY BEEN IN CONTACT WITH BOTH OF THOSE COMPANIES. WE HAVE BUDGETS, WE HAVE TENTATIVE AGREEMENTS. WE HAVEN'T SIGNED THEM UP YET. WE GET THROUGH THIS PROCESS BEFORE WE GET TO THAT. BUT WE ARE GOING TO BE REROUTING THOSE GAS LINES THAT ARE CURRENTLY, AS DEDRA SAID, GOING UNDER THE HOUSES. THOSE WILL BE REROUTED TO THE THOROUGHFARE ROAD THAT GOES THROUGH THE SUBDIVISION. SO WE'RE FULL WELL, THAT'S A HUGE RED FLAG FOR US AS WE GO. YOU KNOW, WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T WANT TO GAS LINES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO HOUSES. WE CAN HELP IT AND WE'VE ADDRESSED THOSE ISSUES THAT WE'VE KIND OF GONE THROUGH THIS PROCESS. SO JUST WANT TO BE SURE TO ADDRESS THOSE THINGS DIRECTLY. AND HOA, YES, ALL OF THE LOTS AND OPEN SPACE WILL BE DICTATED AND MAINTAINED BY AN HOA, INCLUDING THE AMENITY CENTER. SO ALL OF THE FOLKS THAT MOVE INTO THE SUBDIVISION WILL BE PAYING INTO THAT HOA TO MAINTAIN STANDARDS, ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS, MAINTENANCE STANDARDS AND THE AMENITY CENTER AS WELL. SO HOPEFULLY, THAT ADDRESSED YOUR CONCERNS. MR. [INAUDIBLE]. IS THAT AMENITY CENTER GOING TO BE ON THE HILL? THIS YOUNG LADY WAS. IT IS. YES, SIR. AND WE'RE NOT GOING TO KNOCK THAT HILL DOWN, MA'AM. WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT HILL HIGH. WE THINK THAT VIEW IS FABULOUS, RIGHT? THAT'S ONE OF THE SELLING POINTS. WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE SITE WAS MMAN, YOU CAN REALLY SEE ALMOST AWESOME. REALLY, IT'S KIND OF A JOKE, BUT YOU CAN SEE FOREVER UP THERE. AND I THINK THAT'S PART OF THE THE CHARACTER OF THIS PROPERTY WE WANT TO MAINTAIN IS THAT HILLTOP THAT'S THERE. THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT OUR AMENITY CENTER THERE, PUT A POOL UP THERE, KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH ABOUT AN INFINITY POOL. WE'RE NOT PROMISING THAT MY PARTNERS ARE SHAKEN, BUT WE'RE GOING TO ACTUALLY HAVE SOME SPACE UP THERE. YOU CAN, YOU KNOW, SIT BACK AND ENJOY THE VIEW AND LOOK OFF INTO THE DISTANCE AND RELAX. SO WE'RE GOING TO KEEP THAT HILL THERE AS IT IS. THANK YOU, JODIE. YOU BET. THANK YOU. TWO QUESTIONS. YES, MA'AM. TIME FRAME. OK. YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE A LONG BUILDOUT PROCESS. WE ANTICIPATE THE HORIZONTAL CONSTRUCTION BEING 18 MONTHS TO TWO YEARS TIME. THERE ARE ALL THE ROADS AND WATER AND SEWER IS ALL DONE. WE WILL BE DOING IT IN PHASES, RIGHT? SO WE DON'T BRING ALL 480 LOTS AT ONE TIME. BUT WE ANTICIPATE FULL BUILD OUT BEING THREE TO FIVE YEARS. FOR THE TWO YEARS. YEAH. YES, MA'AM. THE OTHER QUESTIONS FOR JODY A. DID YOU HAVE A SECOND QUESTION, MA'AM? WELL, I WASN'T SURE YOU'D WANT TO ANSWER IT, BUT. I MIGHT NOT. YOU CAN ASK CERTAINLY. WHAT DO YOU ANTICIPATE, HOW MUCH THAT HOA DUES WILL BE? THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. YOU KNOW, THIS IS GOING TO BE THESE HOMES ARE GOING TO BE IN THE 300 TO $350000 RANGE WE WILL ANTICIPATE AND I'LL GET SOME DIRECTION ON THAT. BUT WE'RE PROBABLY SOMEWHERE IN THAT 300 TO $500 A YEAR RANGE WOULD BE MY GUESS. DON'T YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO QUANTIFY THAT, BUT I THINK I ANTICIPATE THAT'S WHAT IT'D BE. THANK YOU. YES, MA'AM. AND ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT COME UP, I'LL BE AVAILABLE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. CAN I? GO AHEAD. EARL, I HAVE A RECOLLECTION, I MEAN, TXDOT APPROVES A LOT OF PROJECTS THAT THEY DON'T FUND, AND THEY JUST PUT THEM BACK ON THE BACK END OF THE CALENDAR AND THEY GET [01:10:03] POSTPONED AND POSTPONED AND POSTPONED. I HAVE A RECOLLECTION THAT SOMEWHERE IN THAT. INFINITELY POSTPONED CALENDAR TAKES OUT AND ONCE UPON A TIME APPROVED A PLAN FOR 730 TO BE WIDENED TO FOUR LANE ALL THE WAY BETWEEN DECATUR AND [INAUDIBLE] IS THAT, DO YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THAT OR WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT IS NOW? WELL, WE JUST HAD A MEETING A COUPLE OF WEEKS BACK WITH TXDOT ON THE PLANS, AND WE DID DISCUSS THEM SOME. THE MORE [INAUDIBLE] IMPROVEMENTS PROPOSED FOR 730 IS TO ADD SHOULDERS. TO GO FROM [INAUDIBLE] ALL THE WAY TO HIGHWAY 1287 INTERSECTION. [INAUDIBLE] THEY DIDN'T BRING UP OR MENTION THE IDEA OF FOUR LANE IMPROVEMENTS ON FM 730 FOR THAT WHOLE DISTANCE. BUT I DO KNOW THE MORE IMMEDIATE PROJECT, AND I THINK THAT WE'RE WORKING ON ADDING SHOULDERS DOWN AROUND [INAUDIBLE] NOW. AND THAT'S PROJECTS ARE WORKING ITS WAY NORTH TO DECATUR. SO. SO I HOPE THAT ANSWERS THE QUESTION. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. I HAVE ONE CONCERN THAT HAS TO DO WITH THE SEWAGE ISSUE THAT DOES NOT HAVE TO DO WITH THE LIST STATION. THIS IS GOING TO IT APPEARS TO ME AS A SUBSTANTIAL BURDEN TO OUR EXISTING SEWER PLANT. HAS ANYBODY TAKEN A LOOK AT THAT? IN FACT, THAT IN BECAUSE MY RECOLLECTION ON THAT IS THAT WE'RE GETTING RELATIVELY CLOSE TO MAXING THAT STATION OUT AND THAT WHEN WE REACH THAT POINT, THE CITY WILL BE HIT WITH A SIGNIFICANT EXPENSE TO BUILD A NEW SEWER PLANT. SO HAVE YOU TAKEN A LOOK AT THE BURDEN THAT THIS NEW ADDITION IS GOING TO ADD TO THAT? YES. YOU MAY KNOW OF [INAUDIBLE]. THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY EXECUTED AN ENGINEERING AGREEMENT TO DO A STUDY ON THE WATER AND WASTEWATER SYSTEM PLANTS. OK. WE'RE NEARING. IN FACT, WE'RE NEARING A 50 PERCENT TIME ON COMPLETION OF THAT PROJECT. AND AND I KNOW THOSE STUDIES ARE PROCEEDING. SO THE DUE DATE FOR THOSE STUDIES IS LARGE AND THE CITY COUNCIL RECENTLY AGREED TO AS PART OF THOSE STUDIES TO LOOK AT IT, DOUBLING THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT CAPACITY AND WHAT KIND OF THE WATER PLANT CAPACITY ALSO. SO BUT THAT'S JUST A STORY. THAT'S THE CHEAP END. AND YOU KNOW WHAT THAT'S GOING TO DO IS RECOMMEND HOW WE GO ABOUT EXPANDING THOSE PLANS. WE EXPECT THAT IF THE CITY COUNCIL DOES NOT MOVE TO FURTHER THE STUDY INTO DESIGN AND CONSTRUCTION, THEN WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THIS PROJECT, ALONG WITH A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING CONTEMPLATED OR ARE UNDER CONSTRUCTION NOW, WILL PUT THE PLANTS AT CAPACITY. AND IF WE DON'T EXPLAIN, WON'T BE DONE UNTIL WE DO, WE'LL BE DONE EXPANDING THE CITY. SO WE ALWAYS LOOK AT CAPACITIES OF THE PLANTS WHEN WE SEE THIS PROJECT GO. SO [INAUDIBLE] CONSULT? OKAY. THANK YOU. CECIL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I WOULD LIKE TO GO BACK TO THAT [INAUDIBLE]. QUESTIONS THAT THIS [INAUDIBLE] HAD ASKED. AND THESE OTHER CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP AND ADDRESS THOSE PUBLICLY FOR YOUR BENEFIT AND PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE, IF YOU WOULD LIKE. GO AHEAD. OK, CHERYL, GO BACK. YOU HAD A SLIDE WITH THE LIST OF QUESTIONS, AND I'LL JUST PUT THAT ON THE LIST [INAUDIBLE]. DR. LONG'S? YES. [INAUDIBLE] OK, SO. WELL, I'LL SKIP QUESTION NOW, AND LET'S JUST A COMMENT, QUESTION TWO THE [INAUDIBLE] LOCATION, I THINK JOE SPOKE ABOUT THE LOCATION OF THIS STATION NOT TO BE LOCATED [01:15:06] ALONG ALONG THE CREEK AND AND MORE OF A SOUTH PROPERTY LINE. SO WHEN WE [INAUDIBLE] BACK IN THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THIS PROPERTY. WHAT IF IT IS AN EXTENSION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MASTER WASTE LAW PLAN TO BUILD A GRAVITY SANITARY SEWER FROM THE EXISTING LIFT STATION THAT SERVE BROOK HALL AND SOUTH MOUNTAIN BRANCH. THAT [INAUDIBLE] AWAY FROM THAT LIFT STATION TO THIS NEW LIFT STATION SITE AND SIZE THIS LIFT STATION TO HANDLE THE EXISTING CAN CARRY WASTE WATER PLUS THE SUBDIVISION OKAY. AND THE EXISTING LIFT STATION IN BROOK HALL WILL GO AWAY. SO, SO WE HAVE. IT'S ONE GOES AWAY, WE GET A NEW ONE OKAY. DOES THE LIFT STATION OMIT SOUNDS OR ODORS. SO THIS LIFT STATION [INAUDIBLE] LIFT STATION, IS A SUBMERSIBLE POP LIFT STATION. SO WHEN YOU WALK UP TO THE LIFT STATION SITE, IT WILL SORT OF LOOK LIKE A SLAB OF CONCRETE WITH A MANHOLE LID OR DOORS THAT KIND OF OPEN UP LIKE THAT KIND OF LIKE VAULT DOORS. THERE'LL BE SUBMERSIBLE, THE PUMPS WILL OPERATE IN THE WATER, AND SO THE NOISE THAT COMES AWAY FROM THOSE IS NEGLIGIBLE. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY YOU WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WERE RUNNING THEM IF THEY WERE STANDING THERE BY THEM [INAUDIBLE]. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY OTHER COMPLAINTS FROM THE EXISTING LIFT STATION IN BROOK HALL. I'M NOT. I'M NOT ONE TO NEVER SAY NEVER, BUT [INAUDIBLE] WON'T BE SHOULD NOT BE AN ISSUE HERE. WHAT IS THE BACKUP PLAN IF THE LIFT STATION FAILS? WE'RE REQUIRED BY TCUQ RULES TO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN IF THERE WAS A POWER OUTAGE. THE SERVICE STATION WILL BE BUILT WITH AN ELECTRICAL SYSTEM THAT WILL ALLOW A QUICK CONNECT OR PORTABLE GENERATOR. THE CITY CURRENTLY OWNS PORTABLE GENERATORS THAT ARE TRAILER MOUNTED AND THAT ARE OF SUFFICIENT SIZE THAT WOULD POWER THIS LIFT STATION DURING A POWER OUTAGE. NOW, IF WE HAVE TO USE THAT, THERE WILL BE NOISE FROM. THESE ARE DIESEL ENGINE GENERATORS, BUT THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SOME NOISE WHILE IT'S GOING ON. BUT THAT'S BETTER TO HAVE THAT WASTEWATER OVERFLOW TO THE CREEK. QUESTION WOULD ANY ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE TO THE CREEK? AMPLIFIED WE FAIL DRASTICALLY SOMETHING HAPPENED IN VAIL AND OVERFLOW. IT'S GOING TO GO INTO THE CREEK. YES. AND WHAT WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO DO AT THAT POINT IN TIME IS CLEAN THAT UP THE BEST WE COULD. WHEN THAT DOES HAPPEN, WE GO OUT WITH A [INAUDIBLE] TO TRY TO SUCK UP AS MUCH OF THE WASTEWATER AS WE CAN GET, A LOT OF TIMES WE HAVE TO DISINFECT THE CREEK FOR THAT SALT. SO I'M NOT GOING TO SAY NEVER, NEVER, EVER OVERFLOW. BUT THE ODDS OF THAT HAPPENING ARE RARE. THE SHELTER I JUST SPOKE ABOUT, THE SHOULDER WORK THAT TOUCHED OFF CLOSES ON AT 7:30. WE [INAUDIBLE] HAD SPOKEN ABOUT THE IDEA OF POWER LINES INTO THE SUBDIVISION. [INAUDIBLE] BROUGHT UP ARE CITY STANDARD STREETS THERE SHOULD NOT BE SUCH AN ABUNDANCE OF PARKING ON THE STREET THAT WOULD HAMPER EMERGENCY OR TRASH PICKUP OR EMERGENCY VEHICLES [INAUDIBLE] WE'VE ALL BEEN IN SUBDIVISIONS WHERE WE SEE THAT AND WE DO ALLOW ON STREET PARKING. [INAUDIBLE] SO THE OTHER THING ABOUT THE STATE ABOUT THE LIFT STATIONS [INAUDIBLE] THE LIFT STATION WILL BE EQUIPPED WITH WHAT WE CALL SCADA. THAT'S OUR S C A D A. THAT'S OUR SUPERVISORY CONTROL OF ALL DATA ACCESS ACCESS. IT'LL BE A QUOTE FROM THE ALARM SYSTEM THAT WHEN THERE'S A POWERFUL OR HIGH [01:20:05] WATER ALONG OR ANYTHING THAT'S OUT OF THE ORDINARY, THE ADMINISTRATION WILL CALL PEOPLE THAT HAVE PAGERS AND THEY ARE ON CALL 24/7, 365 TO GET THOSE EMERGENCY CALLS. THAT SOMETHING IS WRONG SO THAT WE RESPOND TO THOSE GENERALLY CAN RESPOND AND NO MORE THAN ONE HOUR. AND WE DO HAVE A BACKUP PLAN FOR ALL THE LIFT STATIONS IN TOWN, WHICH WE ALREADY HAD 22 LIFT STATIONS. SO TAKING CARE OF THIS STATION, WE KNOW HOW TO DO IT. SO GREAT GUYS ARE WELL TRAINED AT THAT AND VERY RESPONSIVE. SO WITH THAT, I'LL COMPLETE MY ANSWERS TO THOSE QUESTIONS. EARL, THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THOSE CONCERNS. THE COMMISSIONERS ON ITEM NUMBER FIVE, ONE MORE QUESTION THAT MAIN THOROUGHFARE EARL LOOKS LIKE IT'S SET UP TO GO PAST THE CREEK AT SOME POINT, MAYBE. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. TO EXCESS LAND ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE CREEK? YES, THIS THIS [INAUDIBLE] SHOWS UP ON THE MASTER THOROUGHFARE PLAN IS A MINOR ROAD [INAUDIBLE] CONNECTS FROM [INAUDIBLE] 730 TO FM 51 AND WOULD CONNECT THE FM 51 AT THE INTERSECTION WITH WHERE SOUTH MYRTLE INTERSECTS THE HIGHWAY 51. OH, OKAY. SO THIS KIND OF GETS GETS US THE FIRST PIECE OF THAT OF THAT PROJECT. OK. THANK YOU, EARL. COMMISSIONERS ANY MORE QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS CONCERNS? I'D LIKE I'D LIKE TO KNOW FROM THE LONG FAMILY THEY HAVE ANY INPUT ON WHAT'S BEEN SAID TO ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS. HE JUST WENT OVER ALL OF IT. I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LONG FAMILY, SEE WHAT THEIR RESPONSE WOULD BE. ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THEIR RESPONSE? [LAUGHTER] UNFORTUNATELY, WE DIDN'T HEAR THAT. IS IT WORKING OK? YEAH, I THINK THESE ARE THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED, I I WAS JUST SURPRISED AT THE SIZE OF THE NUMBER OF HOUSES. IT'S JUST REMARKABLE. AND AGAIN, THE LIFT STATION WILL AGAIN SERVE, I THINK 3,000 PEOPLE AND NOT JUST 1,700 WHEN IT'S FINISHED OUT. I'M SURPRISED WE GET IT DONE IN OUR CORNER OF THE PASTURE THERE RIGHT NEAR OUR PLACE. BUT THAT'S THE WAY LIFE GOES, I GUESS. HOW MANY NEED A PROPERTY BORDERS THAT FROM OF YOUR PROPERTY? THE WHOLE SOUTH END OF IT, EXCEPT FOR THAT LITTLE CORNER THERE THAT SOME OF THE, I GUESS IS YEAH, ALL THE WAY UP THE CREEK AND THEN BACK THE OTHER WAY TO 730. EXCEPT I THINK THERE'S A LITTLE BITTY CORNER INTO IT. IT'S NOT OURS, BUT THE THE WHOLE RED SOUTH [INAUDIBLE]. YEAH, THAT RED AND IT GOES FARTHER THAT WAY. THERE'S 28 HOUSES BUILT UP AGAINST THAT FENCE. THAT'S THE DENSITY IS IT'S INTERESTING. BUT YEAH, I THINK YOU'VE ADDRESSED THEM AND YOU'VE DONE WHAT YOU SHOULD AND THIS SHOULD GO FORWARD, I THINK IT SHOULD GO FORWARD. THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE. WELL, YOU ALL DID A GOOD JOB WRITING UP YOUR YOUR [LAUGHTER] YOUR WIFE DID THAT, THANKS DOC. YEAH, ON THE, UH, THE ENGINEER MR. SMITH, HOW HAVE WE HAD ANY LIFT STATION FAILURES AND OVERFLOWS IN DECATUR TO TO DATE? OH, YES, MA'AM, WE HAVE. OK. THE ONE THAT I CAN RECALL MOST VIVIDLY WAS PROBABLY ONE OF THE VERY FIRST STATIONS IN TOWN, AND WE'VE LOOKED FOR YEARS ON HOW TO FIX THAT. AND IT'S A STORY THAT I WOULDN'T SHARE AT THIS POINT IN TIME. BUT THE OVERFLOW THAT OCCURRED AT THAT, THAT LIFT STATION WAS VERY, VERY [01:25:07] MINOR. MOST OF OUR OVERFLOWS THAT OCCUR IN OUR WASTEWATER SYSTEM OCCUR IN MANHOLES. AND ALMOST ALWAYS RESULT IN THE ROOTS OF GREASE ACCUMULATIONS THAT CAUSE A BLOCKAGE [INAUDIBLE]. OKAY. OKAY. AND I WOULD SAY BESIDES OUR WATER, WELL BEING FAIRLY CLOSE TO THAT LIFT STATION RIGHT ACROSS TO THE WEST IS A WHOLE LITTLE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IT'S NOTED LIKE OLD REUNION ESTATES OR SOMETHING. THAT HAS LIKE THREE TO FOUR HOMES, RIGHT, RIGHT BACK UP TO THE CREEK, AND I'M SURE EVERY ONE OF THOSE THREE, FOUR OR FIVE HOMES BACK IN THERE HAS THEIR OWN WATER. WELL, THAT'S MUCH CLOSER THAN OUR WATER WELL IS TO THAT CREEK. AND AND THE PROPOSED LIFT STATION. YEAH. SO YEAH, ANY ANY SPILLAGE THERE AT ALL IS GOING TO REALLY BE CATASTROPHIC TO DRINKING WATER. I WAS JUST READING ABOUT THIS, THIS EPISODE THEY JUST HAD IN SAN MARCUS BACK IN FEBRUARY. YOU KNOW, THEY PEOPLE COULDN'T BATHE WITH THE WATER FOR, I DON'T KNOW, A LONG TIME. THEY HAD THEY HAD A MAJOR SPILL INTO A CREEK THAT BORDERED PROPERTIES WITH THE DRINKING, YOU KNOW, WELL, WATER. AND IT HAD A LOT OF BAD CONSEQUENCES. SO IF WE CAN AVOID THAT, I'M GOOD. I'M NOT TOTALLY SATISFIED WITH THE WOODEN FENCE ALONG THIS SOUTH EDGE OF THIS PROPERTY. THAT'S TO ME, THAT'S A VERY TEMPORARY THING. IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE REDONE AND REDONE AND REDONE. I WOULD RATHER SEE IT BE SOMETHING BRICK OR STONE THAT'S PERMANENT AND DOESN'T HAVE TO BE DONE RIGHT OUT EVERY SIX OR EIGHT YEARS AND HAVE TO BE REDONE AND COME APART IN PIECES. BUT. UH, IT WOULD BE BETTER THAN JUST THE BARBED WIRE FENCE, BUT BUT NOT IDEAL. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WOULD THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION TAKE CARE OF THAT ISSUE? EARL, ONE LAST QUESTION IF IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT'S BEING DONE, IS THAT PUBLIC INFORMATION? SO IF CHRIS WANTED A COPY OF IT TO LOOK AT IT HIMSELF, COULD IT BE MADE AVAILABLE TO CHRIS? YES. I'M AFRAID TO ASK THIS ANYMORE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS. HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM NUMBER FIVE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION, I I I SHARE I SHARE YOUR CONCERNS ABOUT DECATUR GROWING TOO FAST. I LOVE OLD TOWN DECATUR, BUT I'M NOT SURE THERE'S MUCH WE CAN DO. I THINK WE'VE GONE THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT WE KNOW TO DO TO TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEVELOPER IS IS DOING THINGS ACCORDING TO THE ORDINANCES AND THE CODES AND THE REQUIREMENTS THAT DECATUR SET FORTH. SO IN THAT VEIN, I WILL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL OF A2021-02. I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT AND A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. GOING TO ITEM NUMBER SIX QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER SIX. I WOULD MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE STAFF'S RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE. ITEM SIX APPLICATION CP2021-03. OK, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I NEED A SECOND, I'LL SECOND THAT, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO ACCEPT, AND I'VE GOT A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. OK. AND ITEM SEVEN QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION FOR ITEM NUMBER SEVEN. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE, A MOTION TO ACCEPT I NEED A SECOND. [01:30:02] SO MOVED. YOU GAVE ME A SECOND. YES, SIR. OK, SO I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE IN A SECOND. AND THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. THANK YOU. OK. ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, WE'RE GOING TO BE MOVING BACK INTO A PUBLIC HEARING IT'S 7:03. [ITEM 8: CP2021-04 Commission to hold a public hearing, hear comments, and consider taking action to make a recommendation to the City Council regarding an amendment to Appendix “D,” “Comprehensive Plan,” of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Decatur, Texas, to amend the Comprehensive Plan and the Future Land Use Map of the City, for an approximate 23.03acres of land located at 3472 S. US Highway 81/287, Decatur, Texas, and an approximate 3.15 acres of land generally located to the centerline of US Highway 81/287 Service Road, Decatur, Texas, from Compact Neighborhood (CN) Land Use Designations to an Activity Center (AC) Land Use Designation. The property is more commonly referred to as 3472 S.US Highway 81/287, Decatur, Texas. (Comprehensive Plan Amendment Application 2021-04—City of Decatur, on behalf of Wise Asset Property Decatur LTD)] ITEM NUMBER EIGHT, DEDRA. ALL RIGHT. IS THE PRESENTATION UP? WHAT IS THE PRESENTATION UP? YES. OK. AND THIS IS THE CITY OF DECATUR'S REQUEST ON BEHALF OF WISE ASSET PROPERTY DECATUR LTD [INAUDIBLE] PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY 23.03 ACRES OF LAND. IT'S LOCATED AT 3472 S HIGHWAY 81 287. AND IT ALSO INCLUDES AN APPROXIMATE 3.15 ACRES OF LAND, GENERALLY LOCATED [INAUDIBLE] OF U.S. HIGHWAY 81 287 SERVICE ROAD. AGAIN, THE PROPERTY'S ADDRESS IS 3472 S US HIGHWAY 81 287. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. PROPERTY CURRENTLY HAS A LAND USE DESIGNATION OF COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS, BUT THE PROPERTY WAS REQUESTING THAT SUCH DESIGNATION BE AMENDED TO ACTIVITY CENTER LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND I WILL ALSO LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW THAT WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS ANNEXED INTO THE CITY IN TWENTY SIXTEEN, IT WAS GIVEN A COMMERCIAL LANGUAGE DESIGNATION AND COMMERCIAL ZONE C TWO. HOWEVER, WHEN THE DECATUR 2050 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS LATER ADOPTED, THE PROPERTY FOR SOME REASON WAS GIVEN A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD LAND USE DESIGNATION. AND WE HAVE DETERMINED THAT THIS CHANGE THE LAND USE DESIGNATION WAS NOT THE CORRECT DESIGNATION AND PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE BEEN A LITTLE MORE DILIGENT IN PAYING ATTENTION TO LAND ALONG OUR MAJOR THOROUGHFARES AND GETTING IN TOUCH WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO BE SURE THAT THEY WERE OKAY WITH THE LANGUAGES THAT WERE BEING PROPOSED. THE SURROUNDING LAND USES TO THE NORTH AND TO THE EAST ARE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL, TO THE SOUTH ACTIVITY CENTER AND TO THE WEST AGRICULTURAL AND RURAL LIVING. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. [INAUDIBLE] COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OBJECTIVES I'VE PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED WHAT ACTIVITY CENTERS REPRESENTS IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE DO THINK THAT THE ACTIVITIES THAT THE LAND USE DESIGNATION FOR THE PURPOSE OF COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT IS BETTER SERVED ALONG PROPERTY LOCATED ALONG THE MAJOR THOROUGHFARE. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED LAND USE MAP. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THIS THING, THIS IS [INAUDIBLE]. NEXT SLIDE. WERE REQUIRED TO NOTIFY TWO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES BACK, NEXT SLIDE. THE ACTIVITY LAND USE IS CONSISTENT WITH C2 THOROUGHFARE BUSINESS ZONING, SO STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF CP2021-04. ANY QUESTION? DEDRA, I THINK OUR ENTIRE AUDIENCE HAS LEFT [INAUDIBLE] INTEREST. NO ONE IS HERE, SO THAT BEING SAID [INAUDIBLE] I'M GOING TO CLOSE THIS PUBLIC HEARING NOW AT 7:07 OH, I AM SO SORRY. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? I IMAGINE IS THE APPLICANT? [01:35:01] GOOD EVENING. I'M NOT SURE IF MR. [INAUDIBLE] IS HERE, THE CIVIL ENGINEER. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE] I AM HERE REPRESENTING OWNERSHIP OF THE PROPERTY. I GUESS I DON'T MIND KIND OF PERFORMING SOLO IF WE DON'T HAVE AN AUDIENCE, IF EVERYBODY ELSE ALREADY LEFT I DON'T MIND BEING THE BORING ITEM ON THE AGENDA. THAT DOESN'T BOTHER US. SO, BUT LONG STORY SHORT, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION MAY BE AWARE THAT WE ARE PLANNING ON DEVELOPING A FIRST CLASS TRAVEL CENTER HERE AS A FIRST PHASE OF THIS PROJECT. THEY'LL TAKE UP ABOUT 10 ACRES OF OUR 17 ACRE DEVELOPMENT. I THINK IT'S 23 ACRES THAT WE ARE WORKING NOW TO REZONE. AND OF COURSE, WE THINK THAT THAT WILL ALLOW US TO. HOPEFULLY WE CAN WORK WITH THE CITY TO PUT IN THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND ALLOW US TO LAY THE GROUNDWORK, NO PUN INTENDED FOR MORE RETAIL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THERE ON WHAT WE THINK IS REALLY RIGHT IN THE PATH OF GROWTH FOR DECATUR. I DO HAVE PICTURES AND RENDERINGS AND SO ON OF THE PROPOSED STORE AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO IF THE COMMISSION IS INTERESTED. BUT I ALSO DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP TOO MUCH TIME. SO WE ARE HERE AND HAPPY TO PROVIDE MORE INFORMATION IF THE COMMISSION NEEDS IT AND T HANK YOU TO CITY STAFF. EVERYBODY AT STAFF SO FAR HAS BEEN VERY RESPONSIVE, GREAT TO WORK WITH, SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO WORK AND BECOME PART OF THE COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHERS ONLINE WISHING TO SPEAK ON THIS AGENDA ITEM? IF NOTHING, IF? SOMEBODY SPEAK UP? SINCE WE DON'T HAVE, I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS NOW 7:09. COMMISSIONERS, THANKS. WHO'S THE PROPERTY OWNER? [INAUDIBLE] WISE ASSET PROPERTY DECATUR LTD. WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN IS WHETHER OR NOT I'M NOT SURE, GIVEN THE LOCATION OF THIS PROPERTY, IT MAY BE OWNED BY PEOPLE TO WHOM I'M RELATED AND IN WHICH CASE I SHOULD ABSTAIN. I BELIEVE IT'S MR. [INAUDIBLE] I WILL ABSTAIN. YEAH. DO I NEED TO LEAVE THE ROOM ? RIGHT HERE, IT MIGHT BE LOCKED IT MAY BE LOCKED. HE KNOWS THE WAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS? I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON ITEM NUMBER EIGHT. MOTION TO APPROVE AS RECOMMENDED. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE. I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. OK, I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE, AND I'VE GOT A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE OPPOSE. MOTION CARRIES [INAUDIBLE]. MA'AM, BECAUSE SOMETIMES YOUR VOICES SOUND THE SAME AT LEAST WITH THE MEN. EILEEN MADE THE MOTION TO APPROVE JOHN HAD SECOND THE MOTION. OK. THANK YOU. OK, EVERYBODY. TAKE CARE. THANK YOU. YES. YOU DIDN'T GO TO SWEETIE PIES, DID HE? MASON YOU IN THERE? [01:40:01] BACK INTO PUBLIC HEARING ON ITEM NUMBER NINE, IT IS 7:13. [ITEM 9: SI2021-06 Commission to hold a public hearing, hear comments and consider taking action to make a recommendation to City Council regarding an amendment to Section 6.1.2, “Allowed Uses and Permit Requirements”, of Article 6, “Use Regulations”, of Appendix “B”, “Zoning”, of the City’s Code of Ordinances, containing the Comprehensive Zoning Ordinance of the City, to amend regulations relating to the sale of alcoholic beverages, including the sale of alcoholic beverages for on-premises and off-premises consumption and the sale of beer and wine for off-premises consumption in various zoning districts, to allow those uses in the Convention Overlay District (CD) upon City Council approval of a Specific Use Permit (“SUP”) and providing criteria for Council consideration of a Specific Use Permit. (Application SI2021-06—City of Decatur)] DEDRA. ALL RIGHT. ITEM NINE IS THE CITY'S REQUEST FOR AN AMENDMENT TO SECTION SIX POINT ONE POINT TWO ALLOW USES AND PERMANENT REQUIREMENTS OF ARTICLE SIX USE REGULATIONS OF APPENDIX B ZONING OF THE CITY'S CODE OF ORDINANCES CONTAINING THE COMPREHENSIVE ZONING ORDINANCE TO THE CITY TO AMEND REGULATIONS RELATING TO THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, INCLUDING THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR ON SITE PREMISES AND OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR PREMISES CONSUMPTION IN VARIOUS ZONING DISTRICTS, TO ALLOW THOSE USES IN THE CONVENTION OVERLAY DISTRICT UPON CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT AND PROVIDING CRITERIA FOR COUNCIL CONSIDERATION OF A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THE CONVENTION DISTRICT IS A ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT WAS INITIALLY INTENDED TO BE A DISTRICT THAT SUPPORTS AND COMPLEMENTS THE CONFERENCE CENTER OR THE CONVENTION CENTER. THE DISTRICT CONTAINS MULTIPLE USES OR IT WAS CONCEIVED TO CONTAIN MULTIPLE USES. CURRENTLY, THE CONFERENCE CENTER AND A HOTEL ARE THE TWO BUSINESSES LOCATED IN THE DISTRICT. ADDITIONAL USES WILL INCLUDE RESTAURANTS, OFFICES AND OTHER ENTERTAINMENT RELATED USES. THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES WITH AN APPROVED SPECIFIC USE PERMANENT WILL ALLOW APPOINTED AND ELECTED OFFICIALS TO DETERMINE ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS WHETHER OR NOT THE PROPOSED SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IS APPROPRIATE IN SPECIFIC LOCATIONS IN THE CD DISTRICT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WILL RECALL, BUT A FEW FACTS. THERE WAS AN ORDINANCE THAT WAS CRAFTED BY STAFF FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE DID NOT INCLUDE THE CONVENTION OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND I THINK THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON OUR PART. I DON'T THINK IT WAS INTENTIONAL. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND SO WE'RE NOW TRYING TO CORRECT THAT OVERSIGHT. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ZONING LIMIT THAT WOULD ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN THE CONVENTION OVERLAY DISTRICT, WHICH IS [INAUDIBLE]. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? I DON'T HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE THAT I KNOW IS ON THIS ITEM. OK, THEN I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS NOW 7:16. COMMISSIONERS, ANY QUESTIONS? COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I DON'T FORESEE ANY ISSUES WITH THIS, SO I WILL RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL FOR ITEM NUMBER NINE SI2021-06. HEY, I'VE GOT WILL HAS ENTERED A MOTION TO ACCEPT. I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, TERRY HAS SECONDED THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED MOTION CARRIES. GOING BACK INTO PUBLIC HEARING. [ITEM 10: SUP2021-02 – Commission to hold a public hearing to consider comments and take action to make a recommendation to the City Council regarding an amendment to Appendix “B,” “Zoning” of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Decatur, Texas to grant a Specific Use Permit to allow a convenience store in a CD, Convention Overlay Zoning District, on an approximate 6.7245 acre tract of land being legally described as Lot 1, Block 1, CEFCO Addition, or more commonly referred to as 2202 W. US Highway 380 Bypass, Decatur, Texas. (Application SUP2021-02—Mr. Jordan Schaefer, on behalf of C.L. Gage, George Gage and CEFCO)] IT IS ON ITEM NUMBER 10. IT IS 7:17. DEDRA [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS MR. JORDAN SCHAEFER ON BEHALF OF CL GAGE GEORGE GAGE AND CEFCO FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW A CONVENIENCE STORE IN A CD CONVENTION OVERLAY DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY SIX POINT FOUR, GO BACK PLEASE, IS APPROXIMATELY SIX POINT TWO SIX POINT SEVEN TWO FOUR FIVE ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT ONE BLOCK ONE CEFCO ADDITION. THIS PRELIMINARY PLAT AND FINAL PLOT WERE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY YOU GUYS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. THE PROPERTY IS MORE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS 2202 W US HIGHWAY 380 BYPASS. NEXT SLIDE. ON DECEMBER 8, 2021 MR. SCHAEFER SUBMITTED AN APPLICATION FOR THE SGP TO HAVE A CONVENIENCE STORE AT THIS LOCATION. CONVENIENCE STORES ARE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE CD THOROUGHFARE BUSINESS [01:45:01] ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING DISTRICT OF THE PROPERTY. HOWEVER, BECAUSE THIS PROPERTY DOES ALSO HAVE A OVERLAY ZONE DISTRICT DESIGNATION OF CONVENTION, AN SUP IS REQUIRED FOR THE CONVENIENCE STORE. CONVENIENCE STORE WITH GASOLINE SALES IS DEFINED IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE AS A RETAIL ESTABLISHMENT, WITH THE SELLING OF GASOLINE [INAUDIBLE] FOR ON OR OFF PREMISES CONSUMPTION AND A LIMITED SELECTION OF GROCERIES AND SUNDRIES. THE USE DOES NOT INCLUDE OR OFFER ANY [INAUDIBLE] SERVICES. CEFCO [INAUDIBLE] OWN THE SIX POINT SEVEN TWO FOUR FIVE ACRES OF LAND, AND THEY ARE PROPOSING A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH BOTH GASOLINE AND DIESEL SALES FOR AUTOMOBILES AND TRACTOR TRAILERS. NEXT SLIDE. THE PROPOSED CONVENIENCE STORE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING AN SUP STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS IMPOSED FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SUP AND THE LAND USE DESIGNATION, WHICH WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL FOR THE PROPERTY, IS ACTIVITY CENTER. YOU'VE HEARD WHAT ACTIVITIES CENTER REPRESENTS ON THE COMPREHENSIVE PLANS IN PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. THIS IS THE EXISTING ZONING, AGAIN, CD IS THE UNDERLYING ZONING, AND THEN THE NEXT AREA IS THE PREVENTION OVERLAY DISTRICT ZONING, NEXT SLIDE. EXISTING LAND USE ACTIVITY CENTER NOW NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN AND THE WORD LAYOUT A LITTLE FUZZY. I THINK YOU'VE SEEN IT BEFORE WITH THE PRELIMINARY FINAL FLAT. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND WE DID NOTIFY FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY RESPONSES BACK. NEXT SLIDE. AND AGAIN, THE PROPOSED CONVENIENCE STORE IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CRITERIA FOR GETTING THE SUP. WE'RE NOT RECOMMENDING ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS BE IMPOSED AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SUP2021-032. THANK YOU, DEDRA. YOU'RE WELCOME. WE'RE GOING TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THIS POINT ON ITEM NUMBER TEN. IT IS 7:21. COMMISSIONERS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS. HEARING NONE I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MOVE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO CITY COUNCIL ON THIS ITEM. I'VE GOT WILL KLOSE ON AN APPROVAL, SECOND. WE'VE GOT MASON ON A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR, AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. MOVING TO ITEM NUMBER ELEVEN, WE'RE GOING BACK INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. [ITEM 11: SUP2021-03 – Commission to hold a public hearing to consider comments and take action to make a recommendation to the City Council regarding an amendment to Appendix “B,” “Zoning” of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Decatur, Texas to grant a Specific Use Permit to allow the sale of alcoholic beverages for off-premises consumption in a CD, Convention Overlay Zoning District, on an approximate 6.7245 acre tract of land being legally described as Lot 1, Block 1, CEFCO Addition, or more commonly referred to as 2202 W. US Highway 380 Bypass, Decatur, Texas. (Application SUP2021-03— Mr. Jordan Schaefer, on behalf of C.L. Gage, George Gage and CEFCO)] IT IS NOW 7:22 DEDRA. AGENDA ITEM ELEVEN IS MR. JORDAN SCHAEFER'S REQUEST ON BEHALF OF C.L. GAGE, GEORGE GAGE AND CEFCO FOR SPECIFIC USE PERMIT TO ALLOW THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF LIMITS OF CONSUMPTION IN CD PREVENTION OVERLAYS [INAUDIBLE]. THE PROPERTY IS SAME PROPERTY AS PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED SIX POINT SEVEN TWO FOUR FIVE ACRE TRACT OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS LOT ONE BLOCK ONE CEFCO ADDITION MORE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS 2202 W. US HIGHWAY BYPASS NEXT SLIDE AND MORE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR ALLOWING THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES IN THE CD CONVENTION OVERLAY ZONING DISTRICT. THIS WOULD FALL IN LINE WITH THAT. MR. SCHAEFER HAS SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION FOR THE SUP SO THAT THEY CAN SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR OFF PREMISE CONSUMPTION. AND STAFF IS NOT RECOMMENDING THAT ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS BE IMPOSED FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE SUP. IT DOES MEET THE CRITERIA FOR GRANTING THE SUP. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. NEXT SLIDE. THIS IS THE EXISTENCE [INAUDIBLE] NEXT SLIDE. [INAUDIBLE] NEXT SLIDE. AGAIN, THE SAME FOUR PROPERTY OWNERS WERE NOTIFIED, NO RESPONSES NEXT SLIDE. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF SUP2021-03. [01:50:02] THANK YOU, DEDRA. [INAUDIBLE]. WE'LL BE CLOSING OUR PUBLIC HEARING, IT IS NOW 7:24 COMMISSIONERS ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ON ITEM NUMBER 11? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY TERRY, I NEED A SECOND, I'LL SECOND. I'VE GOT A SECOND. EXCUSE ME, I HAVE A SECOND BY JOHN. THOSE IN FAVOR AYE, AYE. THOSE OPPOSED. OKAY WE'RE BACK INTO A PUBLIC HEARING. IT IS NOW 7:25. DEDRA ITEM 12. [ITEM 12: ABX2021-01 Commission to hold a public hearing, hear comments, and consider taking action to make a recommendation to the City Council regarding an exception to the distance requirements contained in Appendix “B”, “Zoning”, of the Code of Ordinances of the City of Decatur, Texas, specifically Section 6.2.8(E)(4), to allow The County Seat Bar located at 107 S. Trinity Street, Decatur, Texas to sell alcoholic beverages and the sale of beer and winefor on-premises consumption to be 233.1 feet from a private school, 66.9 feet closer than what is permitted by the Code of Ordinances. (Application ABX2021-01—Mr. Brendan Mitchell’s request, on behalf of TCS Operations, LLC and Barrister Holdings, LLC Series C)] ALL RIGHT, ITEM 12 IS A NEW ITEM. IT'S ABX2021-01 MR. BRENDAN MITCHELL'S REQUEST ON BEHALF OF TCS'S OPERATIONS LLC AND BARRISTER HOLDINGS LLC TO SELL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND THE SALE OF BEER AND WINE FOR ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION TWO HUNDRED AND THIRTY THREE POINT ONE FEET FROM A PRIVATE SCHOOL. AND THIS IS SIXTY SIX POINT NINE FEET CLOSER THAN WHAT IS PERMITTED BY THE CODE OF ORDINANCES. SO HE'S REQUESTING A WAIVER FROM THE THREE HUNDRED FOOT SEPARATION REQUIREMENT. THE PROPERTY IS APPROXIMATELY ZERO POINT ZERO FIVE ACRES OF LAND LEGALLY DESCRIBED AS THE CENTER PART OF LOT THREE BLOCK THREE ORIGINAL TOWN OF DECATUR, MORE COMMONLY REFERRED TO AS 107 SOUTH TRINITY ST. NEXT SLIDE YOU GUYS MAY REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS BACK YOU APPROVED AN SUP FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY, WE FOUND OUT THAT THE CITIES [INAUDIBLE] AND IN OUR CONTRACTED BUILDING OFFICIAL ACTUALLY DID THE MEASUREMENT INCORRECTLY. THEN THEY WENT OUT AND MEASURED INSTEAD OF MEASURING PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE. THEY MEASURED FRONT DOOR TO FRONT DOOR. OUR REGULATIONS SAY PROPERTY LINE TO PROPERTY LINE. SO WHEN WE WENT BACK AND CHECKED, THERE WAS ACTUALLY A PRIVATE SCHOOL WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET. AND I'M KIND OF SLIPPING AROUND, CHERYL, SO GOOD LUCK KEEPING UP [LAUGHTER] NEXT SLIDE. THE PREVIOUS SLIDE CHERYL. PREVIOUS. YEAH. ON MARCH 27, 2017, THE CITY COUNCIL DID APPROVE AMENDING APPENDIX B ZONING OF THE CODE OF ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES FOR ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION IN CERTAIN ZONING DISTRICTS AND THEN ON SEPTEMBER 27, 2021, THE CITY COUNCIL PROVIDED THAT A SPECIFIC USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES OR MIXED BEVERAGES FOR ON PREMISES CONSUMPTION IN THE C-1A, DECATUR SQUARE BUSINESS ZONING DISTRICT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY. AND OF COURSE, BAR IS DEFINED AS AN ESTABLISHMENT THAT DERIVES 75 PERCENT OR MORE OF THE ESTABLISHMENT OF GROSS REVENUE FROM ON PREMISES SALE OF ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES. THE ORDINANCE ALSO PROVIDES OR HAS PROVISIONS FOR AN EXEMPTION TO THE THREE HUNDRED FOOT REQUIREMENT, AND SO THE APPLICANT, MR. MITCHELL, HAS SUBMITTED HIS APPLICATION FOR THIS EXEMPTION FOR THIS I DON'T WANT TO CALL IT A VARIANCE, BUT I GUESS IT'S JUST AN EXCEPTION, A DISTANCE EXCEPTION, AND IT REQUIRES A PUBLIC HEARING AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION AND THEN ACTION BY THE CITY COUNCIL. SO HE HAS COMPLIED WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS AND THAT IS WHAT'S BEING BROUGHT BEFORE YOU GUYS NEXT SLIDE PLEASE CHERYL. NEXT SLIDE. AND IT'S NOT REALLY AN SUP, SO THERE'S REALLY NOT ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN REQUIRE TO BE IMPOSED. NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. AND THIS [INAUDIBLE] IS HIS PROPOSED LAYOUT FOR THE BAR AND THE LOCATION. THEY'RE ALSO PROPOSING HE'S PROPOSING A [INAUDIBLE] PATIO AREA IN THE BACK, NEXT SLIDE. AND THEN THE BENCH THERE IS LOCATED AT THE CORNER OF. [01:55:15] NOW, REMIND ME AGAIN, CHERYL WHAT THE STREETS WERE. YEAH. SO THE PROPERTY LINE IS WITHIN 300 FEET, EVEN THOUGH THE BUILDING MAY NOT BE NEXT SLIDE, PLEASE. WE DID NOTIFY FORTY FIVE PROPERTY OWNERS THAT WERE WITHIN THREE HUNDRED FEET OF THE SITE. WE DID. IT IS NECESSARY FOR ME TO NOTE THAT MR. EATON IS OPPOSED TO THE BAR AND TO THE EXEMPTION. HOWEVER, THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH INDICATED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE EXEMPTION. I JUST WANT YOU GUYS TO BE AWARE OF THAT. AND APPARENTLY WITH [INAUDIBLE] PREVIOUSLY NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE SUP. HOWEVER, WE NEVER RECEIVED HIS OPPOSITION LETTERS. SO WE WANT TO NOTE THAT MR. EATON IS OPPOSED TO THE BAR AND TO THE EXEMPTION. HOWEVER, THE FIRST UNITED METHODIST CHURCH INDICATED THEIR SUPPORT FOR THE EXEMPTION. I JUST WANTED TO HAVE SOMETHING TO BE AWARE OF THAT AND APPARENTLY WAS CERTAIN WAS PREVIOUSLY NOT IN SUPPORT OF THE SUP. HOWEVER, WE NEVER RECEIVED HIS OPPOSITION LETTERS. SO WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE POINTED THAT OUT THIS TIME AROUND. NEXT SLIDE. AND STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE EXEMPTION ABX2021-01. AND WE WANT IT CLEAR THE EXEMPTION ONLY APPLIES TO THE BAR THAT'S LOCATED AT 107 S TRINITY STREET AND IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT MR. BRENDAN MITCHELL. THANK YOU, DEDRA. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO FOR CLARIFICATION, [LAUGHTER] MY GOSH, THE HEARING IS NOW CLOSED, IT IS NOW 7:31 COMMISSIONERS QUESTION DOES THIS EXEMPTION APPLY ONLY TO THE CURRENT OWNER OR IS IT IN POSTERITY? HELLO, DEDRA. SORRY, I MUTED. WELL THAT'S ALRIGHT, YOU WE'RE WONDERING, I MEAN, IF IT'S [INAUDIBLE] THIS FACTORY OWNER OR IF IT'S IN POSTERITY? IN PERPETUITY, RIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING. OH, IT'S FOR THIS, THE BAR LOCATED AT 107 TRINITY STREET IS OWNED BY THE APPLICANT, MR. MITCHELL. SO IF HE SELLS IT TO SOMEONE ELSE. IT DOESN'T FOLLOW HIM. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S GOOD, THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO KNOW. OK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS OR CONCERNS AS A BAR? [INAUDIBLE] THE CITY HAS TO APPROVE EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES IN FOR AN APPLICATION BECAUSE THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH TABC AGAIN AND GET THEIR OWN PERMIT. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? HEARING NONE, I'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 12. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR ITEM 12. I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE THE STAFF TO APPROVE THE STAFF RECOMMENDATION AND APPROVE THIS REQUEST. I'VE GOT A MOTION TO APPROVE BY MASON. I NEED A SECOND. I'LL SECOND IT, THANK YOU JOHN, I'VE GOT A SECOND. THOSE IN FAVOR ,AYE AYE THOSE OPPOSED. OPPOSED. MOTION CARRIES. AND I WOULD NOTE THAT THE ONLY REASON I DID THAT IS BECAUSE THE METHODIST CHURCH [02:00:03] INDICATED SUPPORT FOR IT, IF THEY HAD BEEN OPPOSED, I WOULD SOLELY NOT AGREE. NONPUBLIC HEARING ITEMS. [ITEM 13: Follow-up discussion regarding selection criteria, process and methodology for serving on the Planning and Zoning Commission.] ITEM NUMBER 13 DEDRA. ITEM NUMBER 13 [INAUDIBLE] THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE SELECTION CRITERIA, METHODOLOGY AND PROCESS FOR SERVING ON THE PLANNING AND ZONING COMMISSION. AND HOPEFULLY, YOU GUYS ALWAYS SEE MY EMAIL. I APOLOGIZE. I MADE A TERRIBLE BLUNDER WHEN I FORWARDED THE APPLICATIONS OR YA'LL'S SCORING SHEETS TO THE CITY COUNCIL. IT DID NOT HAVE THE CORRECT SENSE WHERE THE PROFICIENCY PART OF THE PROCESS REPRESENTED TWENTY FIVE POINTS OR TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL SCORE OF THE SCORE, AND THE INTERVIEWS SHOULD HAVE REPRESENTED SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT, WHAT THEY HAD WAS REVERSED. SO OF COURSE, IT JUST CONFUSED THE MESS OUT OF THEM. WELL, I WISHED I HAD BEEN ABLE TO ATTEND THAT CITY COUNCIL MEETING, SO I COULD HAVE INJECTED SOME COMMENTS ON THAT. I DID WATCH THIS MEETING ONLINE PRIOR TO COMING BACK UP. PRIOR TO TONIGHT'S MEETING, AND THERE WERE A LOT OF PEOPLE ON THE COUNCIL THAT I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH AND I'M I FEEL ASHAMED THAT THAT'S HAPPENED. BUT DEDRA, I DON'T THINK WE'RE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANYBODY'S FAULT. I. THIS WAS INTENTIONAL. I THINK YOU KNOW THIS YOU KNOW, REGARDLESS, IF I'M NOT. WE HAVE NO INTERNET, SO. OUR TIME WAS UP. TAKE A BREAK. [INAUDIBLE] PUT THIS ON THE NEXT MEETING. LET'S SEE IF IT'LL CONNECT. DID WE LOSE DEDRA OR WHAT DID? I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY KICKED EVERYONE OFF. THAT'S WHAT WE WERE, JUST THEY WERE JUST SAYING COMMISSION WAS JUST SAYING, IS THERE A TIME OUT ZOOM? NO, I HAVEN'T TILL 8:30. YOU STILL HAVE SWAGIT, SHE SAID. SHE HAS IT TILL 8:30. SO NOW, WE CAN'T GET INTERNET, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S THE INTERNET THAT WENT WACKY. GEEZ IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S COMING BACK ON DEDRA. ARE YOU STILL HERE, THE OTHER PEOPLE ON ZOOM? WELL, OKAY. THERE I WAS, YOU'RE STILL IN THERE. WHAT SHE SAID. YEAH, I'D ALREADY DONE SOME CONTROVERSIAL ONES. YEAH [INAUDIBLE] JUST CAN'T SEE US. THERE'S NO INTERNET. THERE'S NO INTERNET. YEAH, THAT'S ONE OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS. YEAH, SHE WAS OBSERVING, GOING IN THE SIDE DOOR [INAUDIBLE]. I THINK WE'RE GOING TO TAKE LIKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND SEE IF WE CAN GET IT. OK, I'LL TELL HIM HE'S COMING BACK. OH, THERE SHE IS BACK. YOU'RE BACK, RECORDING IN PROGRESS [INAUDIBLE] NOT QUITE, RECORDING STOPPED. ARE YOU THERE? CAN YOU HEAR US? I CAN SEE YOU. [02:05:01] YAY. ALL RIGHT, WELL, I'M NOT SURE WHERE I GOT CUT OFF, BUT I WAS SAYING THAT I ALSO NOTICED THAT THERE WAS AN ERROR ON THE INFORMATION THAT I SENT OUT TO YOU GUYS UNDER NUMBER THREE. I'M SURE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO PUT IT BACK UP. IT SAYS THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF POINTS IS SEVENTY FIVE POINTS AND THEN TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE TOTAL OF ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY POINTS. THAT'S NOT CORRECT. I'M TRYING TO WAIT THE TOP PART BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WE DIDN'T WANT TO [INAUDIBLE] THE APPLICATION. WE WERE JUST TRYING TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAD, WHICH HAD THE 15 ITEMS IN WHICH THEY COULD RECEIVE A MAXIMUM OF FIVE POINTS UNDER EACH ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IF THEY WERE A PERFECT. IF THEY WERE, THE PROFICIENCY WAS PERFECT, BUT THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SEVENTY FIVE POINTS, BUT BECAUSE YOU GUYS SAID SOMEONE COULD SCORE THEMSELVES RIDICULOUSLY HIGH AND THEN UNFAIRLY WEIGHT THEMSELVES. WE NEEDED TO ADJUST THAT. SO THAT REALLY SHOULD BE TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF SEVENTY FIVE. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND HALF IS GOING TO BE SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OF SEVENTY FIVE. THEY JUST HAPPEN TO BOTH COME OUT TO BE SEVENTY FIVE POINTS EACH. SO THAT'S ONE OPTION. A MORE SIMPLER OPTION COULD COME IN FAVOR BECAUSE THE PROFICIENCY PORTION, NOT COUNTING TOWARDS ANYTHING OTHER THAN THEM, JUST IDENTIFYING WHAT THEY'RE PROFICIENT IN AND WHAT THEY'RE NOT PROFICIENT AT. AND THEN THE ENERGY PORTION. HAVING ALL THE POINTS AND YOU GUYS DECIDE, IS IT BASED ON A HUNDRED POINTS. YOU KNOW, WE CAN COME UP WITH TEN QUESTIONS. I THINK YOU GUYS HAD EIGHT OR NINE THAT I THOUGHT WERE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS TO THE APPLICANT, YOU COULD PROBABLY COME UP WITH ONE MORE TO ASK AND THEN THEY WOULD BE WORTH TEN POINTS EACH. VERY SIMPLE. SO IT'S UP TO YOU GUYS. OK, BUT NOW, EVEN IF WE HAVE ONE APPLICANT THAT SCORES HIGHER THAN SOMEONE ELSE, THAT DOES NOT NECESSARILY DICTATE THAT HE'S THE WINNER. AGAIN, YOU'RE RIGHT CECIL, BUT YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE REASON AS TO WHY YOU YOU WERE PICKING THE PERSON, THAT'S NOT THE HIGHER SCORE BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, EVEN THOUGH THE COUNCIL SIGNED OFF ON THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF TWO OF THE COUNCIL MEMBERS PREVIOUSLY, THEY DIDN'T SEEM TO BUY INTO THIS LAST TIME BECAUSE THEY SAID THE THE DISCREPANCY WAS TOO GREAT. IT WAS FIFTY POINTS OR MORE. AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, GUYS, WE DIDN'T TELL YOU THERE WAS GOING TO BE A THRESHOLD. WE JUST SAID THAT THE PERSON WHO GETS THE HIGHEST SCORE MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE THE ONE THAT'S SELECTED. CAN I CAN I THROW A WRENCH IN HERE? NO. YES. I NEVER LIKED THE POINT SYSTEM. WE INITIALLY DIDN'T. NONE OF US WANTED THE POINT SYSTEM. I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CHANGED BACK INTO THE POINT SYSTEM, BUT I FEEL LIKE THE POINT SYSTEM DID NOT WORK WELL AT ALL. FOR THE SAME REASON I SAID INITIALLY IS SOME PEOPLE HAVE VERY HIGH OPINION OF THEMSELVES AND SOME PEOPLE, OTHER PEOPLE MIGHT HAVE AS GOOD OR BETTER KNOWLEDGE. BUT. THEY WOULD GIVE THEM A LOWER, LOWER POINTS. AND AND I MEAN, MARK ADMITTED THAT HE OVERSAW SCORED HIMSELF SOMEWHAT. MAYBE CHAD UNDERSCORED HIMSELF SOMEWHAT. HE HAS BUSINESSES IN TOWN. HE'S HE'S PROBABLY HAD TO DEAL WITH THE CITY, BUT HE GAVE HIMSELF LIKE ZERO. SO I DON'T LIKE THE POINT SYSTEM. IT'S SUBJECTIVE TO WHO'S WHO'S GIVING THE POINTS OUT. THAT'S MY THOUGHT PROCESS. I I ECHO WHAT TERRY IS SAYING IS THAT EVERY TIME SOMEONE AND LET'S NOT SAY SCORE THEMSELVES, I'M TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THAT. IT'S A SELF-ASSESSMENT, YOU KNOW, SO THEY'RE ASSESSING THEIR THEIR OWN KNOWLEDGE IN THESE AREAS. YEAH, WHATEVER. SO THEY. [INAUDIBLE] I THINK YOU'RE JUST GIVING AMMUNITION TO TO THE CITY COUNCIL TO TO I THINK THE MORE AMMUNITION YOU GIVE TO THEM, THE THE MORE THEY'RE GOING TO PICK IT APART AND AND GO AND AND DENY IT. SO I AGREE I DON'T. NO, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU SELF-ASSESSMENT, [02:10:01] WE DON'T HAVE THE SCORING SYSTEM, YOU CAN HAVE QUESTIONS IN THERE THAT THEY ANSWER. I'M ASSUMING THAT THIS IS SOME SORT OF ONLINE FORM THAT THEY'RE FILLING OUT. AND SO YOU CAN HAVE QUESTIONS WITHOUT HAVING SCORES OR IT'S CALLED AN EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION. EXACTLY. YOU JUST HAVE THEM ANSWER QUESTIONS WE'LL READ THAT AND WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL WE'LL INTERVIEW THEM TO TO FURTHER BACK UP WHAT WE'RE READING IN THE IN THE I DON'T KNOW OF ANY ANY APPLICATION PROCESS WHERE SOMEBODY GETS TO SCORE THEMSELVES. THERE'S A LOT OF THEM. OK, WELL, I'VE NEVER BEEN A PART OF OR SEEN SEEN THAT AND WHERE THEY GET TO SCORE THEMSELVES AND THEIR SCORE GOES TO SOMEONE WHO'S. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO IS BECAUSE THIS BECAUSE DECATUR IS SUCH A SMALL TOWN AND WE ALL GREW UP HERE. WE'VE BEEN HERE FOREVER. WE KNOW EVERYBODY. OKAY, NOT NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HIRE YOU KNOW, ONE OF OUR FAVORITES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT IT IT GETS PRETTY HECTIC WHENEVER YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THREE OR FOUR APPLICANTS IN HERE THAT ARE YOUR BEST FRIENDS AND YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT TO ONLY PICK MAYBE ONE OR TWO OF THEM. AND IN THE BEGINNING, I THINK THAT WE ADOPTED THIS POINT SYSTEM TO HELP SATISFY THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE I THINK THAT THEY WERE THE ONES REQUESTING SOME KIND OF A HIRING PLAN RATHER THAN THE ONE THAT WE HAD IN PLACE, WHICH WAS LIKE WHAT TERRY WAS TALKING ABOUT AND JUST KIND OF A EMPLOYMENT APPLICATION. OR WILL WAS TALKING ABOUT. SO, DEDRA, WHAT DO WE WHAT DO WE NEED TO DO AT THIS POINT? WELL YOU KNOW, GO BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE CITY COUNCIL OR MAYBE EVEN HAVE A DADGUM DOGGONIT WORKSHOP. [INAUDIBLE] WELL, I MEAN, THAT'S THAT'S CERTAINLY Y'ALL'S CALL. I THINK. I'M GOING TO ECHO WHAT WILL SAID, BUT IN A DIFFERENT WAY. I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO CRITICIZE WHATEVER YOU GUYS COME UP WITH BECAUSE SOMEBODY IS GOING TO BE DISSATISFIED WHEN YOU HAVE ONE SEAT IN MORE THAN ONE APPLICANT. UM, AND DEPENDING ON WHO IT IS AND HOW THEY REACT, THAT'S GOING TO CAUSE THE CITY COUNCIL TO REACT. AND THAT'S FORTUNATE OR UNFORTUNATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S JUST THE REALITY. I THINK THE PURPOSE OF COMING UP WITH A MORE FORMALIZED PROCESS WAS BECAUSE THE COUNCIL, IN LOOKING AT RECOMMENDATIONS, DIDN'T UNDERSTAND AGAINST WHAT CRITERIA THESE PEOPLE WERE BEING EVALUATED AND FOLKS WERE SAYING IT'S NOT FAIR BECAUSE WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THE CRITERIA IS. AND SO THAT WAS THE REASON TO TRY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF QUANTIFIABLE BASIS FOR SELECTING SOMEONE. AND IN MY MIND, WHEN WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO RATE THEIR PROFICIENCY, THEN THE INTERVIEW PROCESS COMES UP AND THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS Y'ALL AND Y'ALL DID THIS ASKING FOLKS, WELL, YOU'VE RATED YOURSELF AS YOU KNOW, EXCELLENT ON THIS. GIVE US AN EXAMPLE OF YOUR BACKGROUND AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE THAT CAUSED YOU TO RATE YOURSELF THAT WAY. IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT THEY IF THEY RATED THEMSELVES A FIVE, YOU ALL HAD TO AGREE AND SAY, YES, YOU'RE A FIVE OR YOU WERE STUCK WITH THAT ONE. IF THEY RATE THEMSELVES A ONE AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING THEM THESE QUESTIONS AND THEY'RE TELLING YOU ALL THESE THINGS THEY'VE DONE AND YOU THINK, WELL, YOU SOUND LIKE YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, A FOUR NOT A ONE THAT'S UP TO YOU ALL TO DO, BUT MAYBE THE WAY TO GET AROUND HAVING TO HAVE. YOU KNOW, QUANTIFYING WHICH THAT WAS ALWAYS DIFFICULT FOR ME, THOSE RANGES THAT WERE IN PROFICIENCY BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE HOW IF YOU WERE AT THE LOW END, YOU DECIDED YOU WERE A TWO, NOT A ONE OR FOR THE LIKES. SO Y'ALL ASK SOME REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS LAST TIME. SO MAYBE THE THING TO DO IS TO COME UP WITH THOSE TYPES OF QUESTIONS THAT ARE LIKE AN INTERVIEW QUESTION WHERE WHEN SOMEBODY TELLS YOU, HEY, I'M GREAT AT EXCEL, YOU ASK THEM, PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF AN EXCEL SPREADSHEET THAT YOU WORKED ON, DID YOU DO FORMULAS, THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO COME UP WITH SOME QUESTIONS PROVIDE AN EXAMPLE OF WHEN YOU HAVE HAD TO DO A BUILDING PERMIT OR DO A ZONING APPLICATION OR, YOU KNOW, TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO GET A BUSINESS STARTED, SOMETHING THAT GIVES YOU AN IDEA OF JUST WHAT THEIR BACKGROUND IS. AND PART OF THE REASON WE WERE TRYING TO DO JUST SORT OF A GENERAL CATEGORY WAS [02:15:01] BECAUSE PART OF A BOARD DYNAMIC IS PEOPLE COMING FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS. SO YOU DON'T HAVE EVERYBODY ON THE BOARD THAT, YOU KNOW, IS A LAWYER OR A DOCTOR OR AN ENGINEER. YOU HAVE PEOPLE FROM DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS BECAUSE THEY BRING DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES, AND IT'S ALSO A MATTER OF WHO Y'ALL FEEL LIKE WOULD BE A GOOD FIT AND BRING SOMETHING UNIQUE, YOU KNOW, TO YOUR TO YOUR PANEL. SO THERE'S A HUMAN COMPONENT TO IT. AND THAT'S WHAT WE TRIED TO TALK ABOUT BEFORE WAS THERE IS A HUMAN COMPONENT TO IT. IT'S LIKE, WHO DO WE THINK? WOULD WOULD, YOU KNOW, ASK SOME GOOD QUESTIONS AND WOULD WORK COOPERATIVELY? OR WHO WOULD BRING UP THAT EXTRA, YOU KNOW, ISSUE THAT WE MIGHT MAKE US THINK THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. BUT MAYBE I THINK DEDRA WAS SUGGESTING THAT. YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE JUST GET RID OF THIS PROFICIENCY RATING AND JUST COME UP WITH QUESTIONS TO ASK PEOPLE, WHAT EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD DEALING WITH DECATUR ZONING ORDINANCES? WHAT EXPERIENCE HAVE YOU HAD WITH PLATTING A PROPERTY? THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WHERE THEY CAN TELL YOU WHAT THEY HAVE SPECIFICALLY DONE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE INTERVIEWING PEOPLE, WHEN YOU'RE ASKING GENERAL QUESTIONS, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD IDEA TO SAY, GIVE ME A SPECIFIC EXAMPLE OF A TIME WHEN AND SO THAT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE JUST NEED TO WORK ON TO COME UP WITH THAT MORE COMPREHENSIVE TYPE OF QUESTIONS. AND THEN WE CAN GIVE THEM TO PEOPLE AND THEY CAN THINK ABOUT IT. THEY CAN THINK BACK TO WHEN THEY, YOU KNOW, WORKED ON SOMETHING THAT WAS PLATTING RELATED AND DO AWAY WITH THE POINTS. THEY'RE NOT YES AND DO AWAY WITH THE POINT THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING WAS WHAT I WAS FIXING TO COMMENT ON. YOU CAN HAVE THE SAME CATEGORIES LISTED THERE, BUT IN A QUESTION FORMAT AND LET THEM JUST ANSWER IT INSTEAD OF GRADES. AND THE ANSWER MIGHT BE, YOU KNOW, I HAVE NONE OR A LITTLE THEY COULD BE A LITTLE BIT MORE TELL WHAT THEY ANSWER AS A QUESTION, NOT IN A POINT SYSTEM. AND THEN WE CAN LOOK AT IT AND ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT IT. WELL, AND THE QUESTIONS, I MEAN, THE QUESTIONS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO BE PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, FIVE POINTS APIECE OR SOMETHING WHERE YOU CAN SAY, I THINK THAT'S A THREE ON THIS ONE OR I MEAN, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING BECAUSE IF NOT, WHEN YOU GET TO THE END, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO? SO I'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT HAS NO PLATTING EXPERIENCE. THEY HAVE A LOT OF ZONING EXPERIENCE. I HAVE SOMEBODY WHO HAS NO EXPERIENCE WHATSOEVER, BUT THEY HAVE A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN BUILDING. AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BRING A UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE. IT'S LIKE, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO QUANTIFY THAT? AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK THE DIFFICULTY IS, IS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISAGREE ON WHICH WAS THE BETTER APPLICANT. AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, IT'S YOUR RECOMMENDATION ON WHAT YOUR OVERALL THOUGHT PROCESS IS BASED ON ALL THE ANSWERS GIVEN. SO I MEAN, THERE MAY BE A SITUATION WHERE WE TRY TO SAY EACH EACH IS WORTH FIVE POINTS. AND ON THIS ANSWER, I RATE YOU AS A TWO ON THIS ANSWER RATE YOU AS A FIVE. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHERE WE CAN AVOID THE APPEARANCE THAT WE REALLY HAVE NO CRITERIA. WE'RE JUST PICKING OUR FRIENDS. SO. WELL, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I THINK THE PROCESS WORKED GREAT. HAVING SAID THAT, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS, ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE APPLICANTS RATING OF THEMSELVES WAS A NUMBER THAT WENT INTO THE FORMULA? YES. YES. NO. NO, NO. NO. THAT'S NOT HOW IT WAS INTENDED, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT THE COMMISSIONERS DID. WHAT YOU SAID IS WHAT I WOULD THINKING. THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. I WOULD STRONGLY SAY THAT. I THINK THAT'S A MISTAKE. NO APPLICANT SHOULD EVER BE ALLOWED TO INSERT HIS OWN NUMBER INTO A FORMULA. THAT'S YOUR JOB, AS THE INTERVIEWER. [INAUDIBLE] AND WHAT DEDRA HAS SAID AND REPEATEDLY HAS SAID TO US IS THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHANGE THEIR SCORE, BUT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY DID THAT [INAUDIBLE] I MADE NOTES. THE MOST I DID WAS MAKE NOTES IN THE MARGINS OF HOW APPLICANT A ADMITTED HE HAD OVER SCORED HIMSELF, I THINK, AND AND THAT APPARENTLY THAT NOTE WAS NOT READ OR FACTORED IN. THEY JUST LOOKED AT THE NUMBER AND SAID, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE PICKING SOMEBODY WHO SCORED THEMSELVES A NINE AS OPPOSED TO SCORED THEMSELVES A FIFTY NINE. AND THAT'S RIGHT, AND I AGREE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT I WOULD BE CONFUSED IF I WAS IN IN THAT PERSON'S SHOES AS WELL. SO I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY WERE WRONG IN SAYING THAT. I'M JUST SAYING THAT'S WHAT THE THAT'S I THINK THAT'S THE BASIS OF THE PROBLEM. WELL, BUT THE WAY THE APPLICATION IS THEN THAT THAT POINT SYSTEM AREA WAS ONLY SUPPOSED TO COUNT AS TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF, RIGHT. OR MEANING OUR INTERVIEW WOULD BE THE SEVENTY FIVE PERCENT OF THE SCORE, WHICH WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY SCORE IT. BUT AND THEN THE CITY COUNCIL THREW IT OUT ANYWAY, AND WE SPENT A LOT OF TIME [02:20:02] DISCUSSING THAT AND MAKING OUR DECISION. AND THEN THEY JUST LIKE. WELL, AND FURTHERMORE, I'VE SAID BEFORE, I THINK WE PROBABLY SHOULD DO A BETTER JOB ON THOSE SHEETS. I JUST FORWARDED THEM. I SHOULD HAVE GONE THROUGH THEM, YOU KNOW, TALLY THEM UP AND THEN DONE WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BUT I DIDN'T BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO STAY STAY AS FAR AWAY FROM IT AS POSSIBLE. TRY NOT TO. INFLUENCING IT, BE THE TARGET, YEAH, WELL, THAT MY JOB IS TO DO MY JOB RIGHT AND [INAUDIBLE] MEANS. SO I'VE SAID BEFORE THAT, YOU KNOW, A PERSON CAN HAVE A BUNCH OF KNOWLEDGE DOESN'T MAKE THEM A GOOD CANDIDATE BASED ON OTHER FACTORS AS WELL. AND THAT'S ESSENTIALLY WHAT THE INTERVIEW PROCESS IS TRYING TO GET TO TO, AS YOU KNOW, AS THEIR ABILITY TO BE FAIR AND UNBIASED AND AND REALLY ASK BECAUSE WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO IT, YOU KNOW, I SAY TO PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO BE AN EXPERT IN THE SIGN ORDINANCE. I JUST HAVE TO KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT IT TO ASK ORAL QUESTIONS OR DEDRA QUESTIONS OR WHATEVER AND LET THEM BE THE EXPERTS AND TELL ME. AND YOU KNOW, SO THE PEOPLE UP HERE NEED TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND THE APPLICANT APPLICANT WHAT IT IS THEY'RE ASKING FOR. AND BE FAIR AND AND IN MY OPINION, TRY TO HELP THEM GET THERE, YOU KNOW, TO JUSTIFY IT. BUT IF THERE'S NO JUSTIFICATION FOR IT, THEN WE ULTIMATELY NEED TO TURN IT DOWN. SO I THINK THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER CRITERIA THAT'S THAT AREN'T BASED ON KNOWLEDGE OF THESE AREAS IN MY OPINION. THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE AREAS THAT WE WERE GIVING THEM POINTS ON OR THEY GAVE THEMSELVES IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE'RE DOING. WE'RE WORKING AS A TEAM AND LISTENING TO INFORMATION AND THEN MAKING A DECISION, AND I DON'T CARE HOW GOOD THEY ARE IN SIGN ORDNANCE. YEAH, I AGREE. BUT THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVEL, I THINK, OF UNDERSTANDING WHAT WHAT ORDINANCES ARE FOR, WHAT IS THE SIGN ORDINANCE SAY? AND YOU GUYS MAY NOT BE THE EXPERT LIKE WILL SAID. THAT'S WHAT YOU RELY ON EARL, PATRICIA, AND I FOR, BUT YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE SOME BASIC UNDERSTANDING. AND I THINK YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN ON THE COMMISSION LONG ENOUGH THAT YOU DO HAVE THAT. DEDRA WHAT ABOUT LIKE WHAT PATRICIA WAS TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, WHAT WAS THAT, HAVING CERTAIN CERTAIN QUESTIONS, MAYBE TEN QUESTIONS AND ASSIGNING VALUE. I DID IDENTIFY THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS ASKED MARK [INAUDIBLE] THAT'S ON THE, I THINK, THIRD OR FOURTH ATTACHMENT DOWN AT THE BOTTOM. SO THAT'S CERTAINLY A STARTING POINT. NOT NOT THIS SLIDE CHERYL, THE NEXT SLIDE. AND NEXT ONE. YEAH, UNDER PHASE TWO, EIGHTEEN. THOSE WERE THE NINE, I BELIEVE, NINE OR TEN QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS ASKED. AND I THOUGHT THOSE WERE REALLY GOOD QUESTIONS. FAR AS THEM FILLING OUT AN APPLICATION, IS THERE NOT SOME TRAINING IN THE STATE FOR NEW MEMBERS OF A COMMITTEE? AND IF SO, ARE WE GETTING THAT INFORMATION AND OPPORTUNITY OURSELVES? AND THERE IS OPEN RECORDS THAT EVERYONE HAS TO TAKE IF YOU'RE SERVING ON A BOARD OR COMMISSION. AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS REMEMBER, BUT TWO YEARS BACK, WHENEVER THERE WAS A PLANNER PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WORKSHOP, I WOULD SEND YOU GUYS THAT INFORMATION. NOBODY EVER IDENTIFIED THEY WANTED TO ATTEND OR PARTICIPATE, SO I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I JUST STOPPED SENDING IT OUT, RIGHT OR WRONG. I JUST WASN'T GETTING A LOT OF INTEREST. I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING ANYTHING BUT ONE TIME FROM YOU GUYS OR FROM CITY COUNCIL. YEAH. SO CAN WE TABLE THIS TO MAYBE WE PROVIDE MORE INPUT TO DEDRA OR WHAT IS THE ACTION? WHAT ARE WE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH RIGHT NOW, DEDRA? WELL, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO RE RAMP OR REFINE THE PROCESS AND SO THAT WE CAN BRING SOMETHING FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL BECAUSE. I THINK WE STILL HAVE MULTIPLE CANDIDATES, MR. LANIER IS STILL INTERESTED. [02:25:02] I HAD ANOTHER. UM, DEVELOPER IS INTERESTED. LOCAL DEVELOPER WHOSE INTERESTED. AND SO WE WERE GOING TO HAVE MORE THAN ONE PERSON INTERESTED IN THE POSITION OR IN THE SEAT. SO BEFORE WE CONCEAL IT, WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO HAVE THIS RESOLVED. SO WE'RE MONTH. WERE POSTED FOR DISCUSSION AND SO IF Y'ALL WANT US TO GO AHEAD AND TRY TO PUT OUT ANOTHER QUESTION AND BRING THAT BACK, AND YOU ALL CAN TALK ABOUT MAYBE DOING THAT QUESTION OR YOU ALL CAN THINK ABOUT IT. AND IF YOU COME UP WITH OTHER IDEAS, THEN SUBMIT THOSE TO DEDRA. CAN I SUGGEST THE METHODOLOGY THAT MAKES SENSE TO ME WOULD BE IN EACH CATEGORY, YOU'VE GOT TO ASSIGN A VALUE OF BETWEEN ONE AND FIVE. EACH MEMBER OF THE BOARD NEEDS TO ASSIGN THEIR NUMBER AND IF HE IF HE GIVES THEM A ONE, SHE GIVES THEM A FIVE AND I GIVE THEM A THREE. ONCE ALL THOSE ARE DONE, YOU AVERAGE THAT AND THAT'S THE SCORE THAT GOES INTO THE FINAL REPORT. AND IF IT'S A THREE, IT'S A THREE OR IF ITS A FOUR ITS A FOUR WHATEVER IT IS, IT WOULD BE THE AVERAGE OF ASSIGNED BY ALL OF US, BUT NOT A NUMBER THAT THEY GIVE THEMSELVES. SO IT MAY BE THE DECISION IS A FIVE. OR MAYBE IT'S A ZERO, I DON'T KNOW. BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE A POINT SYSTEM, IT SEEMS TO ME THAT THE POINTS ALL NEED TO BE ASSIGNED BY THE COMMISSIONERS. AND THE FINAL POINT THAT GOES INTO THE FINAL DECISION IS THE AVERAGE IN EACH CATEGORY, WE'LL AVERAGE ALL THE ONES IN CATEGORY ONE, QUESTION ONE, [INAUDIBLE] QUESTION TWO AND SO ON, AND SO ON, AND SO ON AND SO ON. AND THEN AT LEAST YOU GET TO A NUMBER THAT. WHETHER IT'S REALLY JUSTIFIABLE OR NOT, WHICH FROM A COMMON SENSE STANDPOINT, I'M NOT SURE THAT IT IS, BUT FROM AN ON PAPER STANDPOINT, IT'S IT APPEARS JUSTIFIABLE. WELL, AND AGAIN THEN THAT'S JUST TWENTY FIVE PERCENT OF OUR JUST SAYING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO USE NUMBERS AND POINTS AT ALL, THAT'S THE WAY I THINK YOU NEED TO COME UP AND COME UP WITH AND IF APPROPRIATE, AFTER WE MAKE OUR DECISION TO HAVE A FEW BULLET POINTS REASONS ON WHY THIS APPLICANT ONE WAS CHOSEN. SURE. WHAT YOU WOULD IDEALLY DO IS JUST HAVE SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT, YOU KNOW, HOW YOU SCORED EVERYBODY AND WHY YOU THINK THAT YOU KNOW, THIS PERSON SCORED HIGHER IN THIS AREA OR HAS BETTER INFORMATION. I MEAN, JUST SOMETHING TO EXPLAIN IT TO THE APPLICANT SO THAT THEY, WELL, EXPLAIN IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WHILE WE, RIGHT, WHAT OUR THINKING WAS RIGHT. AND I WILL TELL YOU CURTIS THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. HOWEVER, WILL WAS AT THE MEETING AND I THINK HE DID A VERY GREAT JOB OF EXPLAINING WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, WHAT HIS UNDERSTANDING OF THE PROCESS WAS. SO IF WE CAN HAVE THAT AS WELL AS MAYBE A SUMMARY, I THINK THAT'S BENEFICIAL. YEAH, I'M JUST I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE BULLETS AND THE SUMMARY, BECAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT THEY HONED IN ON THE SCORE OR THE NUMBER AND THE COMMENTS, AND THEY PICKED OUT A COUPLE OF COMMENTS THAT THEY DIDN'T LIKE AND THEY SAID, WELL, WE CAN'T APPROVE THIS. AND SO I'M CONCERNED ABOUT COMMENTS. I DON'T KNOW. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT COMMENTS, AND I THINK WE'D BE A LITTLE MORE CAUTIOUS ABOUT UNLESS YOU KEEP THE COMMENTS POSITIVE. YEAH. WITH THE THE CANDIDATE THAT YOU ARE RECOMMENDING AS OPPOSED TO NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON THE ONES THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO RECOMMEND. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE THEY MAYBE WENT WRONG. AM I RIGHT, DEDRA? I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU WILL 100 PERCENT. SO ARE WE WE'RE GOING TO TABLE THIS TILL NEXT MEETING. GIVE US SOME THOUGHT PROCESS. CAN YOU PICK ANOTHER QUESTION OR SOMETHING DEDRA AND WELL, I'M GOING TO WAIT FOR SOME INPUT FROM YOU GUYS. LISTEN, IT CAN'T BE ALL ON ME BECAUSE I DON'T WANT THEM TO SAY THIS IS DEDRA'S YOU KNOW, PROCESS. OK I UNDERSTAND STAFF'S ASSISTANCE. CAN WE PUT THE QUESTION ON NUMBER 10. DO YOU LIKE CURTIS? [LAUGHTER] I DON'T SEE WHY YOU COULDN'T TAKE ALL [02:30:06] OF DIFFERENTLY. PLEASE LET ME KNOW. WE'LL MAKE THE CHANGE AND THEN WE'LL BRING IT BACK TO YOU GUYS AT THE NEXT MEETING. OK. AND IT MIGHT BE GOOD IF YOU GIVE THAT TO YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, SIR. [ITEM 14: Discussion of future agenda new business items, staff requests and potential special called meeting and/or workshop requests: a. As of agenda posting, the February 1, 2022, meeting currently has no (0) new Planning applications. Submittal deadline is January 4, 2022, at 11:00 a.m. (The meeting will be an in person meeting with potential virtual attendance of staff and members of the public unless otherwise determined.)] THERE WAS AN ITEM 14 TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP. GO AHEAD. I THINK WE RECEIVED ONE APPLICATION, IS THAT RIGHT CHERYL I CAN'T SEE THE, CORRECT ONE, THE SCREEN AND IT SHOULD BE FOR A PLAT. YEAH. SO IT'LL BE A SHORT MEETING, SO THAT'LL BE GOOD. MEETING ADJOURNED. IS THAT IT? THAT'S IT, THANK YOU GUYS. MEETING'S OVER AT 8:03. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.